Wavesequencing and streaming samples WOW!

Discussion relating to the Korg Kronos Workstation.

Moderators: Sharp, X-Trade, Pepperpotty, karmathanever

Post Reply
User avatar
QuiRobinez
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 2563
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:08 am
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Wavesequencing and streaming samples WOW!

Post by QuiRobinez »

Just finished the first tests, and i'm stunned. Absolutely great work Korg!

I've took some ambient Akai sample Cd's from my collection and converted those to SF2 format. Loaded these in the Sample editor from the kronos and saved them following the guidelines in the manual.
Then i reloaded them as stated in the manual and started to create new wave sequences with them and replaced a couple of my existing ambient presets with the new 'streaming' wavesequences.

Then i set the loaded files to autoload in virtual memory and all these files took only 3 MB memory :D

Then i rebooted the Kronos and checked if everything still worked and it did :lol:

I'm really excited over here. The long wave sequences i have running at the moment which only takes 3 MB memory, i hardly can't believe that Korg have created this possibility.

What a wall of sound i can create now, i have long textures crossfading into eachother, vector automation over them and all kind of AMS sources and it all works without a hickup. Incredible :)

I still have to do a lot of tests with merging an combining several samplesets to see what's the best way of deploying these sets into wave sequences and programs for others. But the first tests i've done are opening lots of exciting new possibilities for sounddesign.
User avatar
BobTheDog
Platinum Member
Posts: 1536
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 1:46 pm

Post by BobTheDog »

Time for another tutorial :)
User avatar
danatkorg
Product Manager, Korg R&D
Posts: 4205
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:28 am
Location: California, USA
Contact:

Re: Wavesequencing and streaming samples WOW!

Post by danatkorg »

QuiRobinez wrote: What a wall of sound i can create now, i have long textures crossfading into eachother, vector automation over them and all kind of AMS sources and it all works without a hickup. Incredible :)

I still have to do a lot of tests with merging an combining several samplesets to see what's the best way of deploying these sets into wave sequences and programs for others. But the first tests i've done are opening lots of exciting new possibilities for sounddesign.
Glad to hear it!
Dan Phillips
Manager of Product Development, Korg R&D
Personal website: www.danphillips.com
For technical support, please contact your Korg Distributor: http://www.korg.co.jp/English/Distributors/
Regretfully, I cannot offer technical support directly.
If you need to contact me for purposes other than technical support, please do not send PMs; instead, send email to dan@korgrd.com
Sparker
Senior Member
Posts: 483
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:57 pm
Location: Wales UK

Post by Sparker »

Time for another tutorial
+1

The endlessness of possibilities is increasing :)
Kronos 61 & KK KARMA / Triton Ex c/w MOSS and TR KARMA / MS2000 / Radias / Kaossilator Pro & Kaossilator / Korg Kontrol 49 / Nanopad / Novation Nova / Waldorf Blofeld

Line 6 Flextone XL / Line 6 POD XT / Roland V Bass / Ampeg Portabass & Cab / Assorted Guitars (no whammy bar) ... and a Fender Champ ...
Ksynth
Platinum Member
Posts: 1225
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:32 pm
Location: Northern California, USA

Post by Ksynth »

So interesting.

Wish I could something useful other than your energy is incredible.

Look forward to seeing anything regarding this as a tutorial.
RonF
Platinum Member
Posts: 1179
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:15 am
Location: San Diego, CA USA

Post by RonF »

I'm messing with this too. Its really impressive. The ultimate extension of the Wavestation concept. Sort of the WS AD idea, but with internal, rather than external user sounds, and oodles of modulation and sound mangling options. My wheels are turning like never before!!!
http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr1zAK ... LQZrUYGPQA
Favorite Gear: Kronos 61, M3, Z1, Radias, KPro, KP3, Moog Voyager, Foogers, Virus TI, Jupiter 80, Integra7, GAIA, SPD-30, Kiwi 106, RE-201, MC808, RC505, MV8800, DSI P6 and OB6 and P12, Ensoniq SQ80, EMU MP-7, Eventide H7600, Eclipse, SPACE, Pitchfactor, Timefactor, Looperlative LP-1, Axe FX Ultra, Nord Modular, DSI Tetra, Tempest, PEK, JDXA, Eurorack Modular, Octatrack, MDUW, Monomachine, A4, RYTM, Waldorf Q Phoenix, MWXTk, Blofeld, TR8.
User avatar
QuiRobinez
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 2563
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:08 am
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by QuiRobinez »

RonF wrote:I'm messing with this too. Its really impressive. The ultimate extension of the Wavestation concept. Sort of the WS AD idea, but with internal, rather than external user sounds, and oodles of modulation and sound mangling options. My wheels are turning like never before!!!
absolutely,

yesterday i've spent 2 hours on a new patch. First i created a new tempo based wave sequence based on more then 50 seconds of crossfading new samples (streaming) and added a vector automation pattern on it. Then i doubled that in combi mode with a new MS-20 program that added random LFO bleeps with the self ossilating filters on top of that.

It was noodle heaven, i let it run for more that a half hour while doing other things in the studio, and due to the long evolving wave sequences and the Random bleeps the sound it produced was everytime different.

It's hard to explain to other musicians that are unfamiliar with these kind of concepts but Korg is as far as i know the only Hardware solution that makes these kind of things possible. This goes way beyond standard modulation matrix setups.

Now i only have one wish left for OS 2.1 :D
I would love to have a screen where i could see every AMS assignment beneath eachother. The AMS modulation matrix can be setup so complex that it's hard to keep track what i did assign before. So an overview screen (just display only) would be a great help in the future :)
User avatar
BobTheDog
Platinum Member
Posts: 1536
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 1:46 pm

Post by BobTheDog »

QuiRobinez wrote: Now i only have one wish left for OS 2.1 :D
I would love to have a screen where i could see every AMS assignment beneath eachother. The AMS modulation matrix can be setup so complex that it's hard to keep track what i did assign before. So an overview screen (just display only) would be a great help in the future :)
You are not alone!
User avatar
michelkeijzers
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant
Posts: 9112
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:10 pm
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by michelkeijzers »

BobTheDog wrote:
QuiRobinez wrote: Now i only have one wish left for OS 2.1 :D
I would love to have a screen where i could see every AMS assignment beneath eachother. The AMS modulation matrix can be setup so complex that it's hard to keep track what i did assign before. So an overview screen (just display only) would be a great help in the future :)
You are not alone!
It's also on the wish list of PCG Tools, however it will be quite a major job, because there are so many modulation parameters and they are also different per EXI engine AND also different between different workstation models.
Image
Developer of the free PCG file managing application for most Korg workstations: PCG Tools, see https://www.kronoshaven.com/pcgtools/
RonF
Platinum Member
Posts: 1179
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:15 am
Location: San Diego, CA USA

Post by RonF »

QuiRobinez wrote: It's hard to explain to other musicians that are unfamiliar with these kind of concepts but Korg is as far as i know the only Hardware solution that makes these kind of things possible. This goes way beyond standard modulation matrix setups.
What you have there is a self generating patch....akin to what you might create on a modular synthesis system. I have ONE hardware synth in my studio which competes with the Kronos for self generating modulation possibilities:

Image
Image



Kronos rules! It truly is a semi modular toolkit of epic proportions!
http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr1zAK ... LQZrUYGPQA
Favorite Gear: Kronos 61, M3, Z1, Radias, KPro, KP3, Moog Voyager, Foogers, Virus TI, Jupiter 80, Integra7, GAIA, SPD-30, Kiwi 106, RE-201, MC808, RC505, MV8800, DSI P6 and OB6 and P12, Ensoniq SQ80, EMU MP-7, Eventide H7600, Eclipse, SPACE, Pitchfactor, Timefactor, Looperlative LP-1, Axe FX Ultra, Nord Modular, DSI Tetra, Tempest, PEK, JDXA, Eurorack Modular, Octatrack, MDUW, Monomachine, A4, RYTM, Waldorf Q Phoenix, MWXTk, Blofeld, TR8.
jamsire
Full Member
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:36 pm

Post by jamsire »

RonF wrote:
QuiRobinez wrote: It's hard to explain to other musicians that are unfamiliar with these kind of concepts but Korg is as far as i know the only Hardware solution that makes these kind of things possible. This goes way beyond standard modulation matrix setups.
What you have there is a self generating patch....akin to what you might create on a modular synthesis system. I have ONE hardware synth in my studio which competes with the Kronos for self generating modulation possibilities:

Image
Image



Kronos rules! It truly is a semi modular toolkit of epic proportions!
Ummmmmm.......................yeah....maaaan.

Wow.
Too much equipment. What a bonehead.
RonF
Platinum Member
Posts: 1179
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:15 am
Location: San Diego, CA USA

Post by RonF »

Furthering the thought... A wavesequence, especially one as Qui describes with longer complex waveforms crossfaded into one another constituting an evolving wave-shape , is nothing less than a "wavetable"....as in: wavetable synthesis (think Waldorf Microwave XT, or Access Virus TI). The difference: these Kronos wavetables, now with Kronos 2.0, are fully user editable on the hardware, and the waveforms themselves can be sourced from endless user banks (streamed from an SSD none the less!). These "wavetables" can be created with or without "interpolation" (crossfades, for simplicity sake). And within the overall expansive synthesis architecture of the Kronos they can be exploited in the same ways that Waldorf reserved for its highest end (and now classic and ubiquitous) synths....but can even go further, into territory beyond what that technology ever allowed.

As it turns out, wavetable synthesis has grown to become perhaps my favorite form of synthesis....its the most expressive, and responds in wild and fascinating ways to complex modulations. And now, with user sample banks, Kronos has allowed a high end hardware solution to become one of the most editable and creative examples of a wavetable synthesizer in history.

Wavesequencing, a la "WaveStation style", due to the limitations of the technology in the 90's, was mostly recognized as a "boom chick tick tack bump thump" sort of thing (think the FireDance preset on the original Wavestation keyboard). Now....you look at Kronos wavesequencing and its something else altogether. It really is, in itself, a cutting edge form of wavetable synthesis. In many ways, I view it as a 10th synthesis engine within the Kronos system.

Btw....I have a Waldorf MWXT, a Waldorf Q, and a Blofeld. I absolutely LOVE those synths. But they have taught me their limitations too (which is not always a bad thing, btw). Often while programming those, have I thought about what it would mean to have fully user editable wavetables from my own sample collections, and then to modulate those wavetables with the likes of vector envelopes or KARMA or multi operator FM. Kronos makes this happen and so much more! Its quite amazing when you think about its depths.

I'm just sayin! :shock:
Last edited by RonF on Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr1zAK ... LQZrUYGPQA
Favorite Gear: Kronos 61, M3, Z1, Radias, KPro, KP3, Moog Voyager, Foogers, Virus TI, Jupiter 80, Integra7, GAIA, SPD-30, Kiwi 106, RE-201, MC808, RC505, MV8800, DSI P6 and OB6 and P12, Ensoniq SQ80, EMU MP-7, Eventide H7600, Eclipse, SPACE, Pitchfactor, Timefactor, Looperlative LP-1, Axe FX Ultra, Nord Modular, DSI Tetra, Tempest, PEK, JDXA, Eurorack Modular, Octatrack, MDUW, Monomachine, A4, RYTM, Waldorf Q Phoenix, MWXTk, Blofeld, TR8.
RonF
Platinum Member
Posts: 1179
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:15 am
Location: San Diego, CA USA

Post by RonF »

Here's a more current Pic of the Kronos' lair:
Image
http://soundcloud.com/ronf-3/sets/ronf-music
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr1zAK ... LQZrUYGPQA
Favorite Gear: Kronos 61, M3, Z1, Radias, KPro, KP3, Moog Voyager, Foogers, Virus TI, Jupiter 80, Integra7, GAIA, SPD-30, Kiwi 106, RE-201, MC808, RC505, MV8800, DSI P6 and OB6 and P12, Ensoniq SQ80, EMU MP-7, Eventide H7600, Eclipse, SPACE, Pitchfactor, Timefactor, Looperlative LP-1, Axe FX Ultra, Nord Modular, DSI Tetra, Tempest, PEK, JDXA, Eurorack Modular, Octatrack, MDUW, Monomachine, A4, RYTM, Waldorf Q Phoenix, MWXTk, Blofeld, TR8.
Post Reply

Return to “Korg Kronos”