Programs used in Combis - when the program is edited?

yeloop · Post by **yeloop** » Mon May 04, 2015 5:53 am

Hi guys

I haven't had a Korg for a while (Triton Extreme was the last) but I'm considering getting a Kronos 2 for the studio.

Wondering if anyone can help with a pretty straightforward question: if I use a couple of programs in a Combi, and then I edit those programs in their original location, will those edits also transfer through to the Combi?

Or does a Combi have its own independent version of programs, which are not affected by changes to the original?

Hoping the latter is the case, as it can get a bit out of hand when you create a Combi out of some programs you've made, and then you change one of the programs and suddenly you find your Combis sound different.

Cheers and thanks guys,
Mike

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:01 am

if you change the program then your combi is changed to, combis don't have their own version of the program stored in the combi.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:21 am

In reverse however, it is possible to somewhat modify program sounds inside a combi using the "Tone Adjust" feature. This lets you adjust a lot of things like filter settings and envelope times, but not really deep editing.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:55 am

Combis have only references to programs. That means, if you change a program and you save it, all combis using that program will be affected (also, all set list slots using that program, or set list slots referencing to the combis using that program).

However, in combi mode, you can go to a tab (something like controller..., forgot the name) where you can override some parameters of a program. These will be stored in the combi, thus not affecting the program directly (at least not for other combis).

You can use PCG Tools to check which combis/set list slots are using what programs, so if there is only one combi using the program, you could change it directly.

Edit: As Sander already explained, Tone Adjust can be used for overriding parameters.

yeloop · Post by **yeloop** » Mon May 04, 2015 11:40 am

Thanks guys!

Appreciate this info.

Cheers
Mike

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Thu May 07, 2015 2:48 am

This continues to be one of the ways people get confused and say their combis got messed up.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Sat May 09, 2015 6:37 pm

on the other hand...

It is true that changes and edits made to the programing portion of a sound will distribute to every combi referencing the sound (by location), However, any changes/edits made solely to the FX portion of a program would have no upward impact on combinations at all, since the combination's own FX are imposed on each constituent program used.

The program comes to the combi "naked" of any IFX, MFX, etc. those have to be re-established as part of the combi. They can be copied automatically, and only in cases of future use and only when "copy IFX" function is used would edits to IFX be heard.

Example: Combi = Piano+Strings+Pad. Each of those voices must have their FX copied or set up within the combination. If I then edit the referenced piano program to use an (IFX) exciter for a broader/brighter sound, that change will not carry upward to the combination -- only the basic (original) program.

So tweaks to IFX/MFX including add/delete effects or changes to EQ, for example, may be considered "safe"; zero impact to combinations.

BB