Playing arps on the E2/ES2.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:23 am

Is it me or is there no "normal" arp playing possible? All I get are single notes.

I'm looking for this behavior;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyIAiUqLJXE

Maybe someone with the musical theory knowledge can explain what kind of arp implementation Korg is aiming for on the E2/ES2.

Thanks!

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:14 pm

Oh God, arps on the e2. For the love of Mike why didn't they put proper arps on the e2?
No. In real time there is no way to play that kind of arp on the e2.

I have a sound and solid basis of musical theory and I don't think it helps me answer your last question. Korg have had a thing about Gate Arpeggiators for a while. I also have one on my Kaosillator pro, and it's bloody useless on that as well. Sometimes the gate arp can sound quite good if you apply delay and mess with the release and the filter. If Korg could implement the gate arp and the keyboard mode and give you arpeggiated chords it would be brilliant.

The easiest way to program the real kind of arp is to use the first 3-4-5 steps to program the notes and then just step 3-4-5 to be the last step of the pattern. Or you do like me, play the arps on a synth that can do it and let midi take the strain.

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:52 pm

Bummer, guess no change will come to that. Good thing there are apps for that; Arpist, StepPolyArp, Arpeggionome and maybe others.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:17 am

Frenzies wrote:
The easiest way to program the real kind of arp is to use the first 3-4-5 steps to program the notes and then just step 3-4-5 to be the last step of the pattern.

Can you explain this tip in better detail? It sounds really interesting.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:29 am

SMK wrote:
Frenzies wrote:
The easiest way to program the real kind of arp is to use the first 3-4-5 steps to program the notes and then just step 3-4-5 to be the last step of the pattern.
Can you explain this tip in better detail? It sounds really interesting.

I may have made it sound more interesting than it is.

So say you want a 3 note arpeggiated chord in 1/16 time. Instead of having to use the super user friendly step edit mode to program all the steps in your pattern, just program steps 1, 2 and 3 and then set the last step of the pattern to be 3. It's just a bit quicker and easier.

aquifer_music · Post by **aquifer_music** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:58 am

Frenzies wrote: The easiest way to program the real kind of arp is to use the first 3-4-5 steps to program the notes and then just step 3-4-5 to be the last step of the pattern. Or you do like me, play the arps on a synth that can do it and let midi take the strain.

You just saved me so much time Frenzies.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:18 am

Frenzies wrote:
So say you want a 3 note arpeggiated chord in 1/16 time. Instead of having to use the super user friendly step edit mode to program all the steps in your pattern, just program steps 1, 2 and 3 and then set the last step of the pattern to be 3. It's just a bit quicker and easier.

Oh I see. Yeah I have been doing this for a while. Thanks Frenzies. I thought you had a cool way to work with the "step edit" feature.

Anyhow using the technique above I have employed the touch scale and arp gate to program the noted and set the scale to one octive.

gizmoismogwai · Post by **gizmoismogwai** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:54 pm

SMK wrote:
Frenzies wrote:
So say you want a 3 note arpeggiated chord in 1/16 time. Instead of having to use the super user friendly step edit mode to program all the steps in your pattern, just program steps 1, 2 and 3 and then set the last step of the pattern to be 3. It's just a bit quicker and easier.
Oh I see. Yeah I have been doing this for a while. Thanks Frenzies. I thought you had a cool way to work with the "step edit" feature.

Anyhow using the technique above I have employed the touch scale and arp gate to program the noted and set the scale to one octive.

Your entire pattern will of course then only be 3 steps long, which is a bummer. But this is a great workaround - thank you for the tip.

On the sampler you could technically resample the output of this and then insert that sample into a full 16 step pattern. E2 users will be more limited in what they can do with it. But then again, I sort of like the idea of forcing yourself to work within the limits of 3-5 steps!

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:59 pm

Last step works per part, not whole pattern. So you'd do this on only the part(s) you want to arpeggiate. Probably might be good to keep it in time with the pattern itself, too, so if you're doing 4/4 music id actually use 4 steps and use something like a 1-3-5-3 arp for example.

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:21 pm

roblabs wrote:Last step works per part, not whole pattern. So you'd do this on only the part(s) you want to arpeggiate. Probably might be good to keep it in time with the pattern itself, too, so if you're doing 4/4 music id actually use 4 steps and use something like a 1-3-5-3 arp for example.

As a drummer ( at least my drum tutor says I am, I would often disagree) I love the feel of 3 over 4 or 5 over 4. I love setting the last step to an odd number and finding out the interplay of a constantly shifting arp, where your ears are never really sure of the start point.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:27 pm

You can do that too, or any variation. Depends on the time you want to keep.

gizmoismogwai · Post by **gizmoismogwai** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:39 pm

roblabs wrote:Last step works per part, not whole pattern. So you'd do this on only the part(s) you want to arpeggiate. Probably might be good to keep it in time with the pattern itself, too, so if you're doing 4/4 music id actually use 4 steps and use something like a 1-3-5-3 arp for example.

Holy crap. I hadn't used that function much so I didn't know that. If that's so then this not only opens up the arpeggio game but the shifting polyrhythm game too. Gonna have fun playing with this tonight! Thanks for the tip.

bladuck · Post by **bladuck** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:43 am

Frenzies wrote:
roblabs wrote:Last step works per part, not whole pattern. So you'd do this on only the part(s) you want to arpeggiate. Probably might be good to keep it in time with the pattern itself, too, so if you're doing 4/4 music id actually use 4 steps and use something like a 1-3-5-3 arp for example.
As a drummer ( at least my drum tutor says I am, I would often disagree) I love the feel of 3 over 4 or 5 over 4. I love setting the last step to an odd number and finding out the interplay of a constantly shifting arp, where your ears are never really sure of the start point.

i love this too... The issue is that after a few bars something strange pops up... But in general as a discovery tool I love to do the odd numbers in seq

Zabong69 · Post by **Zabong69** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:06 am

dutchcow wrote:Bummer, guess no change will come to that. Good thing there are apps for that; Arpist, StepPolyArp, Arpeggionome and maybe others.

I will give Auxy a try next week. It is, like Gadget, a really fun to use sequencer on iPad but it has Midi out. It also has parts and scenes, so you can test counterpoint melodies and arpeggios for several parts before recording into the Electribe.

Auxy also has a 4 bar limit, so its a perfect match

Z

Frenzies · Post by **Frenzies** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:27 am

I've been messing with auxy as a friendly way to program the e2, very interesting!

Extremely quick and easy step entry to get the melody you want, midi sync out so you can record it perfectly, assignable midi channels. I love Auxy as a super quick sketch pad and being able to transfer the ideas to the bigger sound set on the e2 is brilliant.