How do I change the program quickly? (Stage performance)

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How do I change the program quickly? (Stage performance)

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Yes. I am a "n00b". Or whatever. I have no idea how to quickly go from one sound/program to the another without changing the program with my hands... okay well I do have an idea... a footswitch pedal but is that what I NEED in order to change programs or can I do that without getting a pedal? How would I use the footswitch?

One more question while I'm still here...
Can you play TWO programs at once at different octaves? EX: left hand would be playing a grand piano program/sound and the right hand playing a lead synth sound.

Anything would be much appreciated! I'm clearly new to using synths! I'm so used to playing a regular ol' grand piano/upright piano.

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Re: How do I change the program quickly? (Stage performance)

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I normally store my live sounds in free bank and in order of appearance. Like if i need to use strings and then piano. I save those sounds in a row like E100 is strings, E101 is piano. Then at live situation after iam done with strings i just click "forward" button from keyboard to go to next sound right before piano part is starting. You can change it from touchscreen too. Just save those sounds so close to each other so you can choose right one fast.

(forward and backward button is located at the right side of the Value Slider M50)

I don't know if there is easyer way. So Use your free preset bank (Named as E) and save those sounds you are needing for there in a row.

I think splitting a program sound is not possible (i might be wrong as i am not an expert either), but you need to use Combi mode to make splits. in case split for 2 sounds. go to Timbre parameters and open channels 1 and 2 for use (Gch for example). Then go to Zone/ Delay and make the actual split. Then choose those 2 programs you wanted at main screen in slots 1 and 2.

sry for my bad english.


venusianvoyage wrote:Yes. I am a "n00b". Or whatever. I have no idea how to quickly go from one sound/program to the another without changing the program with my hands... okay well I do have an idea... a footswitch pedal but is that what I NEED in order to change programs or can I do that without getting a pedal? How would I use the footswitch?

One more question while I'm still here...
Can you play TWO programs at once at different octaves? EX: left hand would be playing a grand piano program/sound and the right hand playing a lead synth sound.

Anything would be much appreciated! I'm clearly new to using synths! I'm so used to playing a regular ol' grand piano/upright piano.

~ Elli
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Post by Alp »

There must be some way to program a midi foot board like the mfc-101 from fractal audio, but I am too uneducated to tell you how.
Maybe someone here knows or could figure it out?

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I only use combinations, if I need a combi I copy it to a combi with only one program inside.

Then I keep them in order, e.g. when we play 3 sets:
D000: SET 1 (is inaudible but is just a marker)
D001: Song 1 Name
D002: Song 2 Name
...
D020: Song 10 Name Intro
D021: Song 10 Name Solo
D022: End of SET 1
D032: SET 2
...
D047: Set 3

etc

In the past I tend to use gaps so I could reasonably easy insert combis without having to move everything up/down, however with PCG Tools this is a piece of a cake and rearranging combis is just a matter of a few minutes.
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I use only combis too. For every song in our song-book i have own combi ... it is easy, when we play a song #65 - Wish You Were Here ... i input 065 ... hit Enter and ... show must go on ;) (for WYWH i have a 3 zones with French Horn & Organs & ...)
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I just wrote this to Muusikoiden.net which is a Finnish Musician Forum. I ill Later translate this to English. But Now I´m in a hurry. ;) http://muusikoiden.net/keskustelu/posts ... o=100&#end And messages from Carrhu.
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alexdx wrote:I use only combis too. For every song in our song-book i have own combi ... it is easy, when we play a song #65 - Wish You Were Here ... i input 065 ... hit Enter and ... show must go on ;) (for WYWH i have a 3 zones with French Horn & Organs & ...)
Don't you keep your combis in the same order as the set list you play or don't you play (more or less) fixed ordered set lists?
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To my way of thinking it boils down to two ways of organizing things.

In one the order of performance is consistent and you make an ordered chain that allows you to step through each voice as you need it. Several posters here have recommended that.

In the other method you make an ordered matrix on your keyboard that allows you to quickly find (as in remember the location of) each voice as you need it, as it is called for regardless of song order.

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The first way (IMO) works best for situations where the live show is short, say 10 songs or so, or is performed in the same order every time. For bands doing originals or in support of a revue/show this is probably close to ideal. It requires organization of the performance first - everything else flows down from that.

But the performance order has to be pretty strictly obeyed. Variations in the order mean that you have to break the chain or move to a different start point.

The biggest limitation you'll need to work with is that the assignable pedal only moves a step in one direction - up or down - so you need to be very aware of where you are in your chain and use a naming routine that lets to SEE it quickly.

The second way (which I've used for many years) works best for situations that are more spontaneous - where the set list changes depending on the mood of the crowd and a wider variation of instrumentation is needed (i.e., covers, multi-genre set list). What's required here is that you organize the keyboard to support that flexibility.

I use a mnemonic system in a single bank (same for program and combis) that lets me quickly recall voice locations -- that is a fancy way to say that my pianos for example are all in "zero" slots - the first 10 (000 to 009). If I want a piano, that's where I look. My "go-to" piano is 000 or 0/enter; very quick to pull up and easy to remember.

I have a Salsa piano on 002 and a Piano+Strings on 008. Within the Piano subset the voices can be organized in a way that supports remembering location; solo to layered. Other instrument categories can be similarly organized; a spectrum of basses from acoustic to synth; or strings / brass / wind sets each organized from ensemble to solo.

Using this system I can play multiple sets in multiple genres with multiple bands (I play top 40, at church, jazz, solo, and sub jobs) and not get lost in bringing up new voices and am not limited to a narrow palate of sounds.

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Post by rajarshi_sl »

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mr.billbaker i think ur second method needs a lot of computing on the numeric keys to call up locations that have say 2 digit assignments.for eg:
to call up the 12th tone u have to press one then two then the enter.since m50 is devoid of 10s hold as u might come across in all earlier korg models it becomes even more difficult to call up locations with 3 digit assignmnts...................................so how is that going to work in songs with tempo at or above 90 ,that calls for frequent tone-changes.do u think it is feasible to keep computing numbers all the way along.
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Post by billbaker »

Raj,

Seems we've had this conversation before, but here goes.

How long does it take to push 1-2-enter? For me it's less than 1/2 a second, and because I've trained myself to - years of entering numbers on spreadsheets using an identical set up and years of playing using keypad to enter numbers - I can do it by touch only.

On all Korg keyboards you can enter 2 out of three numbers without affecting the currently playing sound. This cuts down time even further - set up the next sound while you're playing and you only have to hit "enter" for the next sound; 1/10th of a second?.

The lack of a 10's hold doesn't have any relevance. !0's Hold would allow you to organize vertically (1,11,21,31,etc). I choose to use an (IMO) easier to remember horizontal matrix (1,2,3,4). And either of those is better than the hexi-decimal organization of GM or the random order of most ROM voices on keyboards that put the ear-candy in a jumble so you hear one of everything in a music store.

>>> Get rid of the disorganization of the factory line-up in at least one bank.

>>> Set up a matrix you can remember in at least one bank and make it representative of the music you play. Organize categorically (Korg's given you their idea of what those are) BY 10's. Your matrix can evolve over time as your needs change; those gradual changes are easy to recall.

>>> Use that bank in performance, consistently.

Yes, you have to think about what you want, where you want it, and take the time required (variable per user) to drill it so you can call it up quickly.

Once you learn it, it's learned. Choice and entry time, effectively, zero.

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This method is clearly not for everyone. Some folks look at it and think it's too complex, take too much effort, or wont work, and it's crazy.

This is not theoretical, it's the method I use pretty much daily.

If it's crazy and it works, it's not crazy.


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michelkeijzers wrote:
alexdx wrote:I use only combis too. For every song in our song-book i have own combi ... it is easy, when we play a song #65 - Wish You Were Here ... i input 065 ... hit Enter and ... show must go on ;) (for WYWH i have a 3 zones with French Horn & Organs & ...)
Don't you keep your combis in the same order as the set list you play or don't you play (more or less) fixed ordered set lists?
We have not a fixed set lists. We create a custom set lists at break time within each sets (we respond to the mood of people :) ).
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