My Keyboard Genealogy-What is yours

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JPWC wrote:My current setup;

Yamaha DX100,
Casio CZ101,
Korg M1, need’s a new batteryRoland D50,
Korg Wavestation,
Roland Fantom X7,
Korg Karma, I finally got a band to play my songs
Korg microKorg, midi’ed from Nord Lead 2x
Korg microX,
Clavia Nord Lead 2X, patched to; Boss CE-20, RE-20, SL-20, DD20,
Roland JP8000,
Roland V-Synth,
Yamaha CS-1x,
Yamaha MO-6,
Korg M361,
Yamaha Motif XS-6,
Korg SV-173,
Roland GW-8,
Roland Fantom G7,
Assess Virus-TI Snow, midi’ed from Gaia
Kurzweil PC361,
Korg Pa500,
Roland SH01 Gaia,
Korg microSTATION, midi’ed from Fantom G
E-Mu ESi-32
Stylophone
Stylophone Beat
Korg KO-1 Kaossilator,
Korg KO-1PRO Kaossilator Pro, patched to KP-3
Korg Kaoss Pad 2
Korg Kaoss Pad 3
Korg EMX-1,
Korg ESX-1,
Korg Monotron, patched to a EHX Cathedral
Roland HPD-10,
Roland Pad-5,
Roland PMA-5,
Yamaha AN-200,
Yamaha DX-200,
Yamaha Tenori-on, patched to a Boss R7
Yamaha QY-70,
Yamaha QY-100,
Yamaha SU-10,
Apple iPad, with the midimobilizer and lots of apps.

Stuff I want;

Korg Kronos, hopefully this year
Roland Jupiter-80, maybe next year
Just to put this straight:

You own 250.000 dollars of gear, plan buying some 15000 more,

and forgot spending 10 bucks for keeping the battery of your m1 updated? :shock:

And they say ME I'm a penny-pincher
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keyboards i have owned for sometime, some sold to get other gear, some still owned - in chronological order (if i remember well...). many of them are second hand ones i found in shop or over internet

Trinity V3
Waldorf Q
Access Virus B rack (not desktop, rack)
Novation Supernova Rack
Virus B Desktop
V-synth
R3
M3
M50
Blofeld
Virus TI Snow
mopho
Tetra
Use Audio Plugiator
Evolver Desktop
Virus TI2 Desktop
V-synth GT
MFB synth lite II
Prophet 08 PE
MFB Krafzwerg
Doepfer Dark Energy
monotron
MFB microzwerg
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kimu wrote:MFB Kraftzwerg
is that good?

On a 1/10 scale where the dark energy is 6, how'd you rate the Kraftzwerg?

I mean: in sound, engineering (=reliability, sturdiness). Theorical specifics; I read.

I had envisioned buying one last year, but I called Herr Whazzaname for info, and he didn't even know the module's size :? [or couldn't care to answer], so I had the (probably wrong) impression that the product could be nice but not exactly "well-engineered".

Is it worth a shot at?
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Post by kimu »

imo it is worth, at least for the fun and sonic possibilities you have.

the module is sturdy and seems well built outside. i never opened it, but i guess it is built in similar way to synth lite II which actually i have opened: a PBC with everything soldered over (but on the side you cannot reach since you open it on the rear). also the knobs are well responding and firmly fixed.

from a sonic point of view, the oscillators are fine, quite thin and well tuned over 5 octave range for sure, you can have just one single wave at a time (not two as Dark Energy or more as some other VCO for eurorack system) but you have three vco instead of one as in DE.

the filter is a classic "moog-like" ladder filter (do not expect of course to sound as a moog) with resonance and self-oscillation. to be honest i prefer the new multimode filter that now MFB uses for the new -zwerg products (nano, micro) but the overall character is nice.

ASDR i would say is in the "mid range" but you can choose Linear or Exponential modulation and it's fine. on DE instead i love the switch for High, Medium and Low duration of LFOs and ADSR.

the only think that not always works fine is the MIDI / CV interface: is strictly monophonic, if for any reason you send for some time more than one note on commands simultaneoulsy, it may happend that it "crash" keeping on sending PITCH / CV gate to the module (stucked note)

anyway is a total fun to play with all the patch-points available, you can do from classic leads or bass to experimental drones or noises to some FM metallic sounds.

with respect to DE, kraftzwerg is more punchy and aggressive, resonance is less contrallable; DE has a more "rounded" sound, but i think they are complementary.

if DE is 6 i would say that from sonic possibilities point of view Kraftzwerg is 7 and 1/2, but miss some features (LFO, ADSR duration switch, USB connection and glide). in a mix maybe is easiest to put the DE than the kraftz
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Post by samriccijr »

1988 Roland s10 korg poly 800 moog taurus 2
To
1990 Roland s50 d50 mt32 yamaha fb01 dx7
To
1993 Emu proteus roland p330 d50 ensoniq eps16 yam tx7
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2000 Roland rd200 korg tr rack, old bx3 prophecy hammond c3
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2006 Roland rd300s triton le yamaha djx shs10 keytar voce v5 prophecy
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2009 trinity plus triton le prophecy v5 djx rd300 fatar mp1
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2011 trinity plus triton le prophecy wavestation djx yam p70 v5
Keytar or ipod touch depending on mood
On fourth hammond m3 still have c3

Wish i was back in the poly800 s10 taurus days........

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Sina172 wrote:
nitecrawler wrote: Wants:.....maybe the Kronos 73 so I can leave the Oasys in the studio full time and retire the Roland A90-EX. I'm still learning curve with DAW recording and the Oasys, so maybe not on any new gear for a year or so.
I would NEVER sell my A90's! Ever. The fact that you have 8 different zones (4 External, 4 Internal), FOUR MIDI Outputs, 2 Inputs and a Thru port, AND the fact that you can combine zones and split and layer sounds from different modules you have connected is a Godsend to me. You would be CRAZY, IMO to sell it. :lol:
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OK Sina, I won't sell it. I do like it but after playing on the Oasys76 the action feels muddy by comparison. :wink: I'll PM you if I change my mind. 8) I agree it is a superb controller.
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keyboard(synth) geneaology

Ensoniq SQ-1
Casio SK-5
Korg Mono/Poly (well borrowed)
Proteus 5 (borrowwoded)
Yamaha MO6
Korg Kaossilator
Korg MicroX
Korg TR 61
Korg EMX
Acces Virus Snow
Korg M50
Korg Kaossilator Pro
Korg M3M
Korg Radias R
Alesis micron
Blofeld rack
Acces Virus TI2 Polar
Yamaha Tenori-On
Native Instruments Komplete 7
M50, M3, Radias, Kaossilator Pro, Kaosspad 3, EMX, Microkorg X and Native Instruments and Polar Ti Virus
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Child xylophone (guess this doesn't count)
Unknown brand organ
Farfisa Lido Organ (still have it, anyone care to pick it up for free? otherwise I will put it with the trash outside)
Yamaha SH101 (unused now)
Kawai K4 (first synth ... quite a mistake but well it was my first synth, sold)
Yamaha simple EPiano (unused now)
Korg X5
Casio CTK540 I think (received for free, unused now)
Korg N264
Hammond XK2 (sold)
Korg Triton Extreme (gig setup)
Korg M50 (gig setup)
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Emenee organ 1962
Farfisa Compact Combo-1969
Wurlitzer Electronic Piano- 1971
Fender Rhodes piano-1972
Yamaha CS-50 synth-1977
Another Rhodes in 77-The 72 Rhodes was stolen from a van. There was actually a third Suitcase model Rhodes as well as some point. (The 77 Rhodes was restored by Vintage Vibe in 2006.)
Oberheim OB-XA-1982
Oberheim-OB-8 - 1983 (purchased the full Oberheim "System" DSX seq and DX stretch drum machine. Damn, that sequencer barely ever worked !
Yamaha DX-7-1983
Casio CZ 101 -1984
Casio FZ-1 Sampler-1986
Korg M1 1987
Hammond Suzuki XK1 organ
Alesis QS 6
Korg Trinity Plus-1996( sitting in a closet, boots but no sound-anyone want to buy it ? MOSS board installed.)
Yamaha Motif-1999
Nord Electro 2-2007
Korg M3- 2009
As a side note I purchased a Motion Sound Pro 145 Leslie in 2010 to use with the Nord Electro 2- Great unit if you love spinning speakers...

Other modules and drum machines owned at one time-
Roland JV 880, Roland JV 1080, Roland JV-2020, Ensoniq ESQ 1, Korg MS 2000 (still use it,) Kurtzweil Micro Piano (owned 3,) Roland MC500 sequencer, Korg DDD-1 drum machine, Casio VZ-10M, Emu Proteus 1...There are others but just can`t recall.

Too many synth plug-ins to name and barely use hardware in the studio anymore.
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Hardware - Motif 6 controller, Korg M3, Nord Electro2, Korg MS2000, Roland 2020 and 1080, 2 MOTU 896 HD`s, 2 Avalon 737 Pre`s, AKG 414 B-ULS, Traynor K4.
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Even if I don't have all the dates, here is what produced electric signals for me since about 1976:

Baldwin Organ (gift from my father)
Yamaha CS-10 (my first self payed synth)
--- return to Germany ---
Casio HT-700?
Roland S-50 (still in the cellar)
Roland Alpha Juno-1 (I want it back!)
Roland JX-8P (sold to raise funds for the R3)
Atari ST
Self built analog 12 band Vocoder
Roland MT32 (can't remember where it has gone)
Atari F030 with selfmade Vocoder and Fourier synth
PC & Soundblaster AWE32
Roland SC-7?
Yamaha QY10
Yamaha DB50XG
Yamaha CS-15 (left in pay for services I did years ago and waiting in the cellar for rebuild or to be sold)
Alesis QS6 (sold to raise funds for the Radias)
Korg R3 (sold to raise funds for the Radias)
Korg Radias
Roland VP-770
iPad2
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Only a Radias, VP-770, SP-170S and iPad2
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1962 Old upright piano. Asked for piano lessons (4 years), practiced without being told to, lots of classical music and sing around the piano with mom and family

1986? Roland JX-10, favorite keyboard of all time, gorgeous sounds- unfortunately traded for other music gear, big mistake, didn't know what I had

1986 Roland MKS-50 outboard rack plus pg-300 controller; never got into it that much; sold recently for $300

1987 Kawai K1 MkII, little crappy $750 rompler, hated the sounds; your money didn't go far in those days for keyboards, the equivalent of $1,300? or more in todays money- sold

1993 Emu Proteus w Piano- OK for its time, never that turned on by the sounds, need to sell

1995 Alesis Quadrasynth Plus Piano- given to nephew

2002 Casio WK-3300. For a $400 board it put out: decent piano, 76 keys, battery powered, big sound from onboard speakers. Mostly though the sound quality was just marginal- traded in

2003 Kurzweil K2500XS. Didn't really enjoy this board all that much- too heavy to move by myself, UI very complex. Sold

2004? Korg PA-50, auto accompaniment board with speakers. Great sounds, but ended up returning it 'cause of issues with saving sounds-

2005? Yamaha PSR-3000 (little brother to Tyros I). Enjoyed this auto-accompaniment board (even though I rarely used the auto accompaniment): liked the onboard sounds, the light weight and the surprisingly good onboard speakers.
When I bought this I wasn't sure why I'd want an auto accompaniment board vs. a workstation or digital piano; now I know why, but really enjoyed this board- sold.

2007 Yamaha XS7: spent two years with this board, grew to really resent all the time wasted learning the OS and trying to tame the lame-ass file system (managing samples was a mess), and was not that inspired overall by the sound quality/playability- sold, not missed. An expensive lesson in not automatically getting "the best" just 'cause I happened to have the money to afford it.

2008 Roland AT-70 (Atelier organ). New, this living room beast was around $15,000. Inherited it from my folks. Not a real drawbar organ, rompler made in 1993, with 76 note lower manual that's velocity sensitive, 240 w amp and 12" built-in woofer.
If I spend the time I can get a huge sound from it, and with the foot pedals, 2 manuals, and lots of hands on control of the sound its a great setup. But I rarely play it and should probably sell it.

2008 Yamaha MM6- for the money, not a bad little portable board- sold
2008 Yamaha PSR e213- little, battery powered $200 board- nice for camping trips, surprisingly good piano- sold

2009 Korg M3-61. Liked the sounds/playability on the M3 much more than the XS, but to this day find the 61 note range too limiting. Looking forward to being able to afford the Kronos- spent too much time on the M3 looking for the 20% of the sounds I find to be outstanding. Love the drum pads.

2010 Nord Stage Classic, with music stand! This has become a "Classic" for me- I spend time playing and practicing, not programming! A bit limited on quantity of sounds, but find myself mostly happy with whats available, as in getting back to my roots and playing a lot of piano; LOVE having a full 88 notes. It's very portable as well, with the shortened length because of the wheels on top, and the light weight.
It's the first keyboard where I feel like I have a very close experience of what a real ep and organ sounds/feels like, and really like the Steinway piano.
The only board that would get me to sell this would be a Kronos (assuming I find that same kind of happiness/satisfaction/playability as I do with the Stage)

2011 Korg Kronos! I suppose my ideal setup would be the Kronos 88 and the Nord Stage II (the lightweight one, 73 keys, semi-weighted); but more realistically, I'd be thrilled to have the Kronos 73 and keep my M3.

Amps:
~ Fender PD-250 (suitcase, 2 speakers 250 watts, built in mixer): in my living room, this is a great stereo keyboard setup (a bit shy on bass, but...); speakers made by Bose, has a very hi-fi sound, can be found for under $500

~ MotionSound KP-500sn (500 watts, one point stereo, 2 channels + mic): luckily got this used for $850, not $1300. A bit of an odd duck but does the job really well as a keyboard monitor/pa. Not super loud, but good quality of sound on piano, warm and rich altogether (I'm a big fan of "jazz" hi-fi speakers as compared to brasher "rock" speakers). At 50 pounds, and well placed handles and casters its surprisingly easy to schleep and makes it easy to achieve 'stereo' sound.
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Roland JV-80 - my first Synth!

Rhodes Mark 1 - sold it way to cheap, stupid.

Kurzweil PC88, loved it and gigged a lot with it.

Korg Triton with 88 keys - HUGE so I swiched to:

A small but still 88 key Oberheim master keyboard and
Korg Triton Rack and later to

Roland rack which I can't remember the name of. It had a four layer Grand piano, that much I remember...

Had a Kurzweil K2500 briefly but didn't like it and sold it almost instantly

Then I tried the Receptor (first model), but it didn't work to well and eventually broke down completely, I think due to overheating.

Had a Yamaha GT2 for a couple of years, great practice instrument.

After that I went for Nord, had the Electro 1 and the first Stage model aswell. These had the first decent rhodes samples I'd tried, and I loved them. Later changed the Electro 1 to a Electro 2 which I still have and use loads.

Yamaha sS90ES I still have and use, this is the first piano sample I've actually found playable in a hardware instrument.

Last year I started using my Macbook with a Motu card and Ivory and Omnisphere. Awesome sound, but some latency and stability issues.

And here we are, most likely buying Kronos, if the Receptor can't convince me it's good enough.


Looking back at this list it's just....way too mych gear! Can't belive I've actually had money to do anything but swich gear, but at least I've calmed down in the last few years...
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JPWC wrote:My current setup;

Yamaha DX100,
Casio CZ101,
Korg M1, need’s a new batteryRoland D50,
Korg Wavestation,
Roland Fantom X7,
Korg Karma, I finally got a band to play my songs
Korg microKorg, midi’ed from Nord Lead 2x
Korg microX,
Clavia Nord Lead 2X, patched to; Boss CE-20, RE-20, SL-20, DD20,
Roland JP8000,
Roland V-Synth,
Yamaha CS-1x,
Yamaha MO-6,
Korg M361,
Yamaha Motif XS-6,
Korg SV-173,
Roland GW-8,
Roland Fantom G7,
Assess Virus-TI Snow, midi’ed from Gaia
Kurzweil PC361,
Korg Pa500,
Roland SH01 Gaia,
Korg microSTATION, midi’ed from Fantom G
E-Mu ESi-32
Stylophone
Stylophone Beat
Korg KO-1 Kaossilator,
Korg KO-1PRO Kaossilator Pro, patched to KP-3
Korg Kaoss Pad 2
Korg Kaoss Pad 3
Korg EMX-1,
Korg ESX-1,
Korg Monotron, patched to a EHX Cathedral
Roland HPD-10,
Roland Pad-5,
Roland PMA-5,
Yamaha AN-200,
Yamaha DX-200,
Yamaha Tenori-on, patched to a Boss R7
Yamaha QY-70,
Yamaha QY-100,
Yamaha SU-10,
Apple iPad, with the midimobilizer and lots of apps.

Stuff I want;

Korg Kronos, hopefully this year
Roland Jupiter-80, maybe next year

Stuff I want: the 2 synths above .... and the complete list above that :-)
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Post by Melodialworks Music »

I'm not going to list my list. If my wife ever found out . . .

Well, OK, currently I own Rodgers Custom 798 digital organ, Yamaha N3 hybrid piano, and Korg Kornos (of course) has been ordered.
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Roland Juno 60 DCB
Korg Poly 61 M
Alesis MMT8
Alesis HR16
Alesis HR16B
Roland D20
Roland U220
Roland JV80
Roland JV90
Alesis Quadrasynth
Roland A70
Roland JD800
Roland R8MKii
Roland JV1080
EMU ESi32
Akai S3000xl
Akai MPC2000xl
Roland JP8000
EMU MoPhatt
Yamaha Motif-rack
Roland FantomXR
MV8000
Akai s5000
Akai MPC5000
Yamaha Motif XS8
Korg MS2000b
Roland VK8m
Open Labs NeKo LX5
Kronos 61 on preorder

i'm sure i'm forgetting something

the list is not in order...



left off software... but i have plenty


P.S. I'm a trumpet player that prefers to play the keys for a semi living
NeKo LX5, Liquid Saffire 56, Motif XS8, Kronos61, A-70, Motif-Rack, FantomXR, MPC5000, R8mkii, Komplete5/6/7/8, Trilian, Total Workstation 2, EWQL Complete Composers Collection, Arturia Mini Moog V, CS-80V, ARP2600V, Jupiter-8V, Oberheim SEM-V, Analog Laboratory, Vienna Ensemble Pro, Yamaha Montage, Epic Orchestra, Flugelhorn, Sonar X2, FW-1884, MIDI Express 128, MPC Renaissance, MachFive3, Komplete 9 Ultimate, Korg Legacy Collection, Machfive 3, Jupiter-80, Moog Sub 37,
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