What's the reason you DIDN'T buy a Kronos?

rrricky rrrecordo · Post by **rrricky rrrecordo** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:39 am

Yup, I've also hooked up the iPad to my Microstation, and send the outputs of both into a wee Roland KC-110 stereo keyboard amp. It's all super portable, kinda like my MicrOASYS concept a few months ago that I was trying to build with a tiny 5" Fujitsu Windows 7 PC. That had all my NI stuff as well as the original Korg Legacy Collection, but the iPad is just a nicer piece of kit to work with, as it's a breeze to grab a handfull of drawbars on the GB organs, tweak knobbies on the fly and such. And there are so many brilliant iPad music apps dropping regularly - love the new VirSyn stuff

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:50 am

I didn't get a Kronos because I feel I haven't used my Oasys to its full potential yet - so much more to discover and make creative use of!

Mystic38 · Post by **Mystic38** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:05 pm

That is a solid and logical reason..and I applaud you

However if people only got new gear when they had mastered their current arsenal korg would sell perhaps a dozen Kronos...

Charlie wrote:I didn't get a Kronos because I feel I haven't used my Oasys to its full potential yet - so much more to discover and make creative use of!

blytzz · Post by **blytzz** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:56 pm

I just cancelled my order for the K88, 2 reasons, one is that it seems like its a small upgrade of 5 year old tech and 2 is the UI, I am a novice and I originally ordered liking the sounds and layout and hoping the ui had improved since the triton days, but other than the actual screen hardware it seems that its mostly the same, so in 10 years theyve known there ui is not so good and have done nothing, oh I guess there is a third, when the Jupiter 80 tech gets put into a workstation synth, I will have the money to buy one, just have to be patient for a year or two.

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:53 pm

blytzz wrote:I just cancelled my order for the K88, 2 reasons, one is that it seems like its a small upgrade of 5 year old tech

I really don't understand why some people assume that everyone owns or has free access to an OASYS. If I did, yeah, I wouldn't be squirming so badly for a Kronos. I could wait a few years for a price drop or two, since I'm not going to be composing lots of solo classical piano pieces. But all the OASES on the planet might as well be in another universe as far as I'm concerned. Kronos allows me to own the OASYS, and then some, much more some, and I'm sure that when I can include it in my music projects, a lot of rewriting of them will be necessary.

I basically have access to even more technology in my arsenal than rrricky does - other than not having a DAW yet, and not owning a Kronos is making me sad.

and 2 is the UI, I am a novice and I originally ordered liking the sounds and layout and hoping the ui had improved since the triton days, but other than the actual screen hardware it seems that its mostly the same, so in 10 years theyve known there ui is not so good and have done nothing

Sure...

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:10 pm

blytzz wrote:I just cancelled my order for the K88, 2 reasons, one is that it seems like its a small upgrade of 5 year old tech and 2 is the UI, I am a novice and I originally ordered liking the sounds and layout and hoping the ui had improved since the triton days, but other than the actual screen hardware it seems that its mostly the same, so in 10 years theyve known there ui is not so good and have done nothing, oh I guess there is a third, when the Jupiter 80 tech gets put into a workstation synth, I will have the money to buy one, just have to be patient for a year or two.

You're so right...Kronos is pretty much just the M1, only not as good.
Jupiter 80 is the future of synthesizers! I would wait forever while not making any music just to have it in a workstation!

</sarcasm>

cello · Post by **cello** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:33 pm

blytzz wrote:I originally ordered liking the sounds and layout and hoping the ui had improved since the triton days, but other than the actual screen hardware it seems that its mostly the same, so in 10 years theyve known there ui is not so good and have done nothing

Hmmmm. Trying to be objective here. Yes, you have a point. But do you understand why it hasn't changed much?

It hasn't changed much (little in principle but a whole universe in detail) but it's because of the structure of working with sounds. Why change something that works so well? What Korg has done is expanded it completely to be the most comprehensive controllable interface to any workstation.

Subjectively, there's nothing wrong with the UI. At all. It works. And works well. Full stop. Period.

And good luck waiting for the JP80 workstation integration... that ain't going to happen anytime soon!

RonF · Post by **RonF** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:04 pm

blytzz wrote:when the Jupiter 80 tech gets put into a workstation synth, I will have the money to buy one, just have to be patient for a year or two.

I don;t see the big deal. JP80 "tech" is just a standard VA with some supernatural tones. Supernatural tones were in FG...we just got more of them here. The VA is nothing ground-breaking....other than FINALLY Roland stepped up from the GAIA and put flagship quality and synth resources behind it, and the JP-8 modeling is fantastic.

You could slap just about ANY hardware sequencer next to the JP80 and have a hugely powerful system. In fact, if your into Roland workflow....the combo of a Fantom G and JP80 would seem to be the ultimate.

Obviously we all would like higher polyphony in any workstation...and flagship quality DSP, convertors, and effects.....so from that point I got ya......but when you talk about JP80- "tech" - its not really groundbreaking as much is as is VERY well presented and implemented.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a new Roland flagship workstation. That's a shot in the dark of a wait......

If you seek a workstation.....Kronos is King in the market today.

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:17 pm

iixorbiusii wrote:Hello,

I'm just curious to know if anyone has made up their mind and decided they'll not be buying the Kronos, and if not, why not?

I have decided not to buy a Kronos because I have already two fully expanded OASYS-88 in mint condition. If I didn't had the money, for my two Oasyses some years ago, I would of course immediately buy two Kronoses today (one with 88 and one with 73 keys). It is of course the deepest and best sounding hardware synth on the planet, miles ahead from the competition.
It is a joke to read some posts, where some people seriously begin to compare the Kronos with Motif XF, PC3 or the „sound trap“ Jupiter-80...
They reveal their lack of knowledge about synthesizer technology and their lack of beeing able to listen analytically. Anybody with ears will realize that the Kronos is in it's own sound league as an expressive and personal musical instrument, far ahead from the competition. (no aliasing, ultra fast and accurate modulators, etc., etc.) But it is maybe a too complex instrument for many people who prefer for example the very limited, but much easier to handle Jupiter-80. I think you will begin to hate those Roland supernatural sounds after a while anyway...

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synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:24 am

Dany wrote:I think you will begin to hate those Roland supernatural sounds after a while anyway...

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Weeelllllllllllll............ I don't know about that. Obviously, people like McHale and his ilk will agree with you, having moved on from Roland workstations years ago. But coming from a Roland fan standpoint, I really need that sheeny sound in my work. Sure, KORG and Yamaha have more guts, KORG more so. And Kurzweil perhaps about as much as Yamaha, perhaps a bit more, thanks to all the mangling you can do with VAST.

But I have sax, organ and string patches that just don't come out as well as they do on a Roland synth. At least not the same, and personally I need it. If I could have SuperNatural algorithms massaging them as well, I'd really be in heaven.

Personally, I think if you had a Kronos and Jupiter-80, you'd almost have the best of all worlds in electronic music. Perhaps throw in a real analog or three, perhaps a real Hammond and Leslie, and then you'd have it all.

rj.baker · Post by **rj.baker** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:48 am

Trinity2112 wrote:...I l just couldn't get passed the screen. The angle, small font and buttons completely put me off...

The angle that the screen is set back at is hard for me to get used to.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:55 am

I rarely drop into this forum anymore. Inwas hot for Kronos or nord stage 2, both have their niggles bot are great instruments but the on going drama here drove me away from this forum. The only source of info on Kronos I knew about. I was also trying to save for a new drum kit. So in the end Indecided on a custom acoustic DW Collectors drum kit. No bugs for me to worry about now issues with UI, or editor, or Keybed, and no drama in the forums I got to for drums. A very satisfying experience in that world and it make me more creative rhythmically! Some day I'll be back for some keys but italy just be a baby grand instead. Who knows in the end I happy and satisfied just a bit impatient as my wait for a custom kit is almost 12 weeks. But truly the drama in the Kronos section of this forum ruined it for me but Inthank everyone involved because I am fully satisfied with drumming!

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:44 pm

Bertotti wrote:But truly the drama in the Kronos section of this forum ruined it for me but Inthank everyone involved because I am fully satisfied with drumming!

glad to help.

The reason I did not buy a BMW is because the way a few Beemer owners drive.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:44 pm

It's too bad that people like Bertotti do not continue reading the forum.

When such people see an instrument they like (Kronos), then see some problems, buy something else and then forget about the Kronos.

Most problems already have been solved and replacement of the keybed is possible. However, the money is spend to something else (not the first choice). In case of Bertotti it worked out well, but how many people buy an instrument they rather not have only because some problems were not solved at the time of buying.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:56 pm

I'm sure I'll take a beating over my comments but I really could care less. Individuals need to understand forums are a very powerful tool and the needless flame wars just add to frustrations. In my case I was going to do a keyboard, organ, or drums. I at least can pretend to play drums keyboard is completely new. I am not giving up on a keyboard but I am in no rush for one. I had the money saw the fixes but in the end ruled all out. I have some percussion and enjoy it, that's what it's all about. I realized though that if I was put off not so much because of problems, obviously I ruled out a keys purchase completely this go round, but because of the constant bitching and in fighting then how many others left this place because of it. That's my point take it anyway you like. I am still active on the Korg forums just not this section. I am glad you guys got great keys and solid fixes and do enjoy the youtubes I see of the instrument, go have fun! That is what I am going to do. Later Bertotti

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