Kronos feedback.

[Epica33]

Hey everyone
I have buy a Kronos 61 and im not very happy with this Workstation.
My Motif XS is much more better than the Kronos.

I think, the Sounds are not bad from Kronos, but Native Instruments Alicia Keys Piano is much more better, the Organs are very god in Kronos and the spheresounds, thats all.
The Touchview Display are the same s**t we M3 and Trinity.
And it is much more smaller for touching!
I have problems with my ssd, when i copy a file to a usb stick or a Hd and then i will use it on my Macosx 10.6.8 is the file away!!!!

And where is the f*ck*ng editor for using with the Mac / Pc / Logic / Cubase??????

I will buy in the future never Korg Products, sorry im not lucky!

Best regards and sorry for my bad english

[michelkeijzers]

Hey everyone
I have buy a Kronos 61 and im not very happy with this Workstation.
My Motif XS is much more better than the Kronos.

I think, the Sounds are not bad from Kronos, but Native Instruments Alicia Keys Piano is much more better, the Organs are very god in Kronos and the spheresounds, thats all.
The Touchview Display are the same s**t we M3 and Trinity.
And it is much more smaller for touching!
I have problems with my ssd, when i copy a file to a usb stick or a Hd and then i will use it on my Macosx 10.6.8 is the file away!!!!

And where is the f*ck*ng editor for using with the Mac / Pc / Logic / Cubase??????

I will buy in the future never Korg Products, sorry im not lucky!

Best regards and sorry for my bad english

Sorry to hear y ou don't like it.

I think there are no problems with the touch screen, except some people think it's small but you get used to it.

Problems with Mac are not Kronos related; it's more a Mac problem.
Try to format a card on the mac instead of the Kronos; there is a special topic about it. So it is not a ssd problem.

I do not know anything about the f*ck*ng editor, but the Kronos Editor will be released; no information about it yet sadly.

And you can better apologize for your rude language instead of your bad English.

[runningman67]

'And you can better apologize for your rude language instead of your bad English.'

I liked your post. I don't understand people being rude because they don't like something. Having an opinion is one thing and can be respected but being downright rude and even aggressive about a synth is quite sad.

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[michelkeijzers]

'And you can better apologize for your rude language instead of your bad English.'

I liked your post. I don't understand people being rude because they don't like something. Having an opinion is one thing and can be respected but being downright rude and even aggressive about a synth is quite sad.

'

Thanks.

People can sometimes be agitated by technical objects if they do not do what they expect, especially since electronic feedback is not always clear. However, it is never a good thing to instead offense people instead. It does not solve the problem and the (offended) persons will be more reluctant to give a solution afterwards.

[Charlie]

'And you can better apologize for your rude language instead of your bad English.'

I liked your post. I don't understand people being rude because they don't like something. Having an opinion is one thing and can be respected but being downright rude and even aggressive about a synth is quite sad.

'

Thanks.

People can sometimes be agitated by technical objects if they do not do what they expect, especially since electronic feedback is not always clear. However, it is never a good thing to instead offense people instead. It does not solve the problem and the (offended) persons will be more reluctant to give a solution afterwards.

+1

[erasurfer]

People are just not willing to understand the problem and then try to fix it rather than make a fuss about it and offend people.
Knowing a little bit of electronics like Analog & Digital circuits does help with working with a lot of features of the keyboard.
I am new to workstations, and the Korg Kronos has taken me aback! There is sooooooooo much functionality and so many things to play around with.
Its been a week of fiddling around with it, but there's still so much to do. The manuals do help but they only say this can be done and that can be done. But HOW they can be properly done? I guess I've gotta find out the hard way.
Waiting for the Software update v1.5 and also the editor.
But I'm having a ball with my new workstation. ARE YOU?

[aron]

It's much easier to press a few buttons, then declare the Kronos as "not as good" as another keyboard and ignore all the sonic possibilities that it offers. It goes on and on ..... forget that the Kronos can sample and take Sound Fonts.

I've given up trying to convince anyone that it's amazing. Which it certainly is.

[smythrocks]

I must politely disasgree with you. I too, own a Motif XS and there is absolutely NO comparison between the two keyboards for "overall" sonic sound and funtionality. In fact, the ONLY reason that I'm keeping my Motif is that I've got a lot of money tied up in "3rd party" patches that come in handy - save me a lot of tiime programming, and a programmer I am not. My ears (and that's the subjective part about hearing) hear better emulation of perhaps more acoustic patches on the Motif than the Korg, ceertainly in the realm of guitars. On the other hand, it's an attempt at replication - personally, I'd just as soon use a real live guitar player.

I've been playing piano for 51 years. Over that time I've had the pleasure of playing really crappy sounding acoustic uprights to an over-the-top Bosendorfer. I played Piano patches on Rolands, Yamahas, Kurzweils, Casio, Technic - blah, blah, blah. Now I have the opportunity to play the Kronos. I puchased my Kronos 88 just based on technical and user reviews as well as the reputation of many of the folks Korg used to help progam the board. (Jordan Rudess for example). For my ears, for my playing ability, the touch/feel and sound of most of the pianos - certainly the "mainstays" are truely phenominal. Don't get me wrong, Roland had a decent one in it's Ultimate Grand patch several years ago, Kurzweil has a couple, but for me, Korg has done an outstanding job of "replicating" the acoustic piano.

The Motif has one sound engine - the Korg has 9. Do you really prefer to work on the Motif Screen "vs" the Kronos screen. Yeah, I'm getting up in age, I wear glasses, the screen fonts are small, BUT, I'm going to get a stylus pen which should help insure that I push the correct button.

By-the-way the f*ck*ng editor will be available next month as a download on the Korg site. Here's the thing, in my experience, whenever purchasing one of these higher end keyboards (think Fantom, Motif, even M3 etc), it really does pay to review the manual, go to the manufactures website - look for Frequently Asked Questions, join a forum and read up on the keyboard - there's usually a ton of experience and information - an alot of unsolicited opinions like mine. Go to youtube. Have you seen the training videos that Korg has released. My point is that you've got to spend some time. Dude, this stuff is not cheap. If you purchased an expensive vehicle, you'd want to know all about it - right?

Alicia Keys...well...I'm not a big fan of software synths - I'm a bit "old-school", so I really can't comment other than it is personal taste and if your ears tell you that the Alicica Keys piano is better sounding than the Kronos - I'm ok with that. Just keep in mind that there are quite a few pianos to choose from in the Kronos and they can all be tweaked to your personal liking. I for one really like the bright piano. I have always had trouble getting some of my piano playing to cut through all the noise - I mean music played by the other folks in my band.

I'm not going to bash other brands of keyboards. I don't think it's fair to really say one board is better than the other. I've yet to see a keyboard that could DO IT ALL. Wouldn't that be nice? I've got a mix of keyboard equipment, it's what I like, other folks might say I've got too much reduncancy, or why to you have an arranger keyboard etc.

So, I guess in the end, it's your call. In my opinion I don't think you've spent enough time really understanding what the Kronos can do. Think about it, if you perform, do you really like the way Yajmaha addresses "set lists". No, because they don't. Talk about screen size, trying to select the right "favorite" in a Motif can be a lesson in futility. Korg got it right with it's implementation. I'm still a relative newbie with my Kronos (about 3 weeks). I've gigged with it twice. The first thing I did was figure out how to build set list. Way to easy and way to cool. Then I figured out how to create my on combinations (Yamaha calls them Performances). All of us Kronos users know that you can mix and match single program voices as as well as combination voices in a single set list. Awesome. No more hunting around for the right sound. I've created several different set lists based on the band I'm going to be performing with. It just does not get any easier. So, I haven't even touched on the other 2,000 sounds, combinations, sequencing, sampling.

Take some time to learn this peice of equipment.

The pads are quite good, I don't think the screen is the same one used in the M3, and I can't help you with your file copying issue. My advice would be for you to start with the manual and try to become proficient with one thing at one time - for example, really familiarize yourself with how to choose programs, then how to edit programs and store them in your user file locations. I mean if you really need to mess around with copying files over to thumb drives and working stuff out on your MAC go for it, but I would make sure I was pretty familiar with the basic stuff first.

Sorry to bore everyone else. I just think some folks give up to easy.

Peas out

Hey everyone
I have buy a Kronos 61 and im not very happy with this Workstation.
My Motif XS is much more better than the Kronos.

I think, the Sounds are not bad from Kronos, but Native Instruments Alicia Keys Piano is much more better, the Organs are very god in Kronos and the spheresounds, thats all.
The Touchview Display are the same s**t we M3 and Trinity.
And it is much more smaller for touching!
I have problems with my ssd, when i copy a file to a usb stick or a Hd and then i will use it on my Macosx 10.6.8 is the file away!!!!

And where is the f*ck*ng editor for using with the Mac / Pc / Logic / Cubase??????

I will buy in the future never Korg Products, sorry im not lucky!

Best regards and sorry for my bad english

[michelkeijzers]

I agree to the post above (I shall not copy it here).

I think if people want to know something or have a question:
- Try it yourself first
- Read the manual
- Google the forum (or internet in general)
- Try again
- Ask the question here

Of course searching forums is not always easy, however mostly the manuals help a lot. Korg has outstanding manuals describing every parameter. It only lacks HOW these parameters should be used and very technical details (like PCG formats), but that's outside the scope of regular manuals.

I know 1100+ pages is a lot to read but by downloading the PDF and searching you can find items very quickly.

[popmann]

While from some perspective, you can certainly say that the best software does sound better. Scarbee's pianos, of which Alicia's Keys is one, are wonderful sounding. I have about as much money invested in software instruments as I do the new K88.

And if you don't play, but instead sequence...go software, it's cheaper.

But, I spent like 6 hours straight playing the pianos and EPs and Clavs in the Kronos...making a pot of coffee, excited to go back in tonight. Number of times I've played software just for fun, screwing around? None.

So, yes...I would love to see Korg work with Scarbee to get his piano samples (frankly the clav is the one significantly better) into the Kronos...or get a Vir's Mojo Horns all mapped to the vector stick and ribbon, etc...or VSL or LASS strings...but, it's not an apples to apples comparison, IMO. The Kronos is a complete instrument. Software is not half of one. It's easy to look at it as the physical keys and the samples...but, the biggest difference is the programming/tweaking of the two together. Kontakt 4 instruments I've bought (be it scarbee or LASS) are mushy feeling-they make me turn the buffers down to 32 samples-64 is as low as it will go on some. I could likely upgrade to a triple channel ram i7 based system and run 32 on more...but, it still at 32 doesn't feel as "attached to my fingers" as hardware.

That connection is what keeps me playing late into the night...and why I just bought the most expensive single synth/board I've ever bought in my life. And after an evening with it...I don't have a bit of buyers remorse.

[Dogmatic1010]

I do hope Korg decides to lower the price on at least the 61-key. $3k for a workstation, the Roland Fantom G series arent even that high. Maybe its a bit too much to ask for the price to be as low as the M50s tag, but it could be lower, at least $2000-2500 maybe.

I must say though I am impressed with the effort Korg has made developing such a board. A board thats features are easily accessible for live performance as well as the variety in sounds and drum tracks.

[michelkeijzers]

I do hope Korg decides to lower the price on at least the 61-key. $3k for a workstation, the Roland Fantom G series arent even that high. Maybe its a bit too much to ask for the price to be as low as the M50s tag, but it could be lower, at least $2000-2500 maybe.

I must say though I am impressed with the effort Korg has made developing such a board. A board thats features are easily accessible for live performance as well as the variety in sounds and drum tracks.

Well considering its features being mostly further than competitors I can understand the price tag. Which is a lot, but you get a lot. If it is too expensive less people will buy it, it's all commercial.

[Dogmatic1010]

Maybe theyll eventually sell them for around the same price Roland sells their Fantom Gs.

[philmagnotta]

When folks offer replies to one who is called rude or offensive, but insist on quoting... "the f*ck*ng editor" as used by the accused, I'd have to wonder.
How can anybody truly be offended?
Did you all make the Kronos?
I can see that the OP's approach lacks politeness, but why that would offend personally unless you thought that the remark was directed to someone personally.
All too often, forum conversations are way-off from what one usually encounters within a room of people discussing a product.
Perhaps the disconnected (forum) non real time flow of "texting" in communication lends itself to strange behavior usually not found with real-time conversation within normal society.

[Taro]

I picked up my Korg Kronos 88 three weeks ago, and I am very happy with this powerful workstation. Sounds and features are great!

I have no problems with the keys and with the fan. For me to compose music in my sparetime at home, the built-in sequencer is good enough, I don't need a separate sequencer like Logic or Cubase.

I was only wondering, why most built-in programs (sounds) have no possibility to be influenced through aftertouch. The joystick and pitchbend are great, however I like to influence sounds through aftertouch too.