EXs12 SGX-1 Austrian Piano Demo

[Zeroesque]

Hi everyone. I had 2 Gb of Ram so i have to unload something to free enough space to install the Exs12 libraries. After having loaded them ( in the U-G AA bank) i immediately noticed that in all the new patches the sound decays automatically . Any suggestions (a part from uninstall and reinstall/reset which i already tried and if so how particularly) ? Just for instance : are there any settings which i can manage from the Global section ... ? Tks . Cheers.

The demo's limitation compared to the full paid-for version is that it fades out and back in cyclically. There is no way around this other than to buy the full product (an auth code, essentially).

[Scott]

I am sure the Austrian Piano is fantastic. And it must have been made using editor software.

As I suspected, they will not release the end-user editor until they have made some more money off their EXS libraries. (They still advertise the Kronos, on the UK site as coming with a "free" editor).

Becuase, as we all know, we could make our own streaming large pianos using the editor software.

Besides what others have said about their long having had internal tools (obviously), and that the end-user editor may not necessarily support streaming... I would add that the reason most people are not making their own large piano samples isn't because they lack an editor. Most people don't have access to high end, perfectly tuned and regulated grand pianos in optimum acoustic conditions with multiple probably thousand-dollar-plus microphones, and then the expertise to properly process the samples to achieve professional calibre results. IOW, people aren't going to stop buying EXS libraries just because korg comes out with an editor.

[Scott]

Can't agree here.
99 dollar would be the price for a well done piano sample set for the software mass market.
For a 6Gb premium sample set for a hardware instruments 250$/less than 200€ is not too expensive at all from my view. I would pay that anytime, if the results is a first class grand, cutting well through in band play and mix.

What frustrates me is that I don't happen to be very happy with the two grands that are already in the Kronos. I don't know whether I'll like the new one, but if I do, rather than pay $250 to get the calibre of piano I had hoped for out of the Kronos in the first place, I wish there were an option to get it for free if I agreed to have the installation simultaneously disable the two pianos that are in there. I'm not a piano sound junkie. All I want is one piano sound that I really like, and since I"m disappointed that Kronos didn't come with one, it's a little frustrating to have to pay $250 to get it.

A nice model might be, one piano sound of your choice included with the unit; $99-$199 for each additional piano sound you want to load, something like that.

[Cpilot]

There's a pretty good piano already in the system, I-A005, German Grand + VPM EP. Adding the EP really makes the upper register ring out, unlike the other pianos which sound rather dead. So I think I'll stick with that for now.

Bryan

[jimknopf]

All three grand Pianos in the kronos are first class from my view.
And the very least thing I could imagine about a piano like the German grand is calling it "lifeless": to me it sounds like the exact opposite.

All these pianos are high-quality sample sets with some important adjustable parameters. I rank each of them FAR above the standard last generation workstation stuff, like I found it on my Fantom G.

The only problem I ever had with the first two (on board of the Kronos) was the missing presence in loud band contxt or a mix. And the Boesendorfer has solved that problem for me.

If someone doesn't want to buy it, there's still the option to install the smaller Oasys Grand from SSD, which has a good reputation of cutting through.

All in all I have difficulties following the cultivation of a grumpy mood, looking at a lot of good choices.

[Scott]

And the very least thing I could imagine about a piano like the German grand is calling it "lifeless".

I'm not sure what the "lifeless" sustain quality I'm talking about comes from. Maybe the Kronos lacks "pedal down" sympathetic resonance? Maybe the multiple strings per key are just too perfectly tuned? I just don't hear any "richness" in them. They remind me of a looped decay (even though I know they are not), or a CP-80.

All these pianos are high-quality sample sets with some important adjustable parameters. I rank each of them FAR above the standard last generation workstation stuff, like I found it on my Fantom G.

I know, there's a lot of subjectivity to this. I'm not a big fan of Roland pianos either, even the new "SuperNATURAL" ones. Despite their own flaws, the ones I like best are some of the Yamaha and Nord models. I also thought the Kawai MP10 sounded nice (though not the MP6), but I didn't like the action, plus it's too heavy a board to ever carry around.)

[Dany]

...If someone doesn't want to buy it, there's still the option to install the smaller Oasys Grand from SSD, which has a good reputation of cutting through...

Yes, it's the Kronos EXs2 - Concert Grand Piano with 503 MB coming originally from the OASYS, which is just outstanding to play in a band/live context and as an OASYS user, I have to confirm very strongly, that this EXs2 piano sound really cuts through in a perfect way!

One can completely forget e.g. Iyory-2 (which I run on an OpenLabs-MiKo), compared to the EXs2 Piano, when playing in a band/live context...

So don't be afraid of using the EXs2!

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[Cesarsound]

I do not have the Kronos yet, but hearing the demos, IMHO, the TruePianos 1.5 and Akoustik Piano VST sounds much better and with much life than this Autrian Piano.

[rrricky rrrecordo]

Modelling brings piano sims to life.

http://www.pianoteq.com/listen_by_instrument

No, it's not perfect yet, but Pianoteq has been a brilliant work in progress, updates are frequent, and thus PT continues to be a joy to play. In the end, samples will always be static snapshots of specific key strikes that will repeat many times during your performance... 8 or 10 or even 12 snapshots per key eventually wear thin (for me anyway). Low res dynamic response, even with clever usage of velocity switching and filters leaves much to be desired.

Pianoteq calculates a unique result for every key strike you make in real time just as on a "real" piano (no small feat), and each struck note interacts with every other currently sounded note in a way that samples can't, and don't.

Sampled resonance helps samples in my Motif's Virtual C7, but the "physics" just ain't there.

[michelkeijzers]

I think a good model is always better than samples, however the problem is to make good models. I think in the future more and more models will become available and samples are used mostly for sounds where no models do exist for.

Models have a lot of advantages:
- the quality is much more easy to change for new processors, or even depending on the processor used.
- controlling changes (in realtime) is much more easy since the model can generate it from the source instead of the 'end product', which is the wave.
- memory consumption is far less, since samples take up a lot of space.
- models are intuitive to program (or should be)

Of course it also has disadvantages:
- developing a model is difficult
- models can be hard to program (as musician)
- takes up a lot of processing power.

[Fatlittlefingers]

Would anybody have prefered a not perfectly tuned upright like a Challen or somthing.

A band member of ours has a Piano restoration and sales shop, he mostly imports second hand pianos from Japan but also sells new Yamaha's. The pleasure of wandering round and the different caracter of each piano is a joy.