Music & Creativity & Science

[michelkeijzers]

Music is seen as a sort of bridge between mathematics/physics and creativity.

For synthesizers/keyboards the mathemetics/physics aspect is maybe even bigger than for most other (pure acousticly) instruments, but even for acoustic instruments and music in general scales, reading scales, chord forms, chord progressions, musical structures etc are all either mathematics or somehow ordered.

For the creativity part, it is the difference between just a lot of random sounds and a songn that is appeciated by (at least) your self.

I was wondering, if people making music in general and keyboardists specifically are also having technical or creative jobs.

I don't make this a poll because of the enormous amount of jobs possible.

[michelkeijzers]

I just answer my own question first

I'm a software/system engineer, creating software and model them. This sounds like a pure technical job, but software creation also requires some creative process to make an architecture that can stand time (maintenance, readability etc).

[Synthoid]

Interesting post...

I'm a graphic designer, and also create abstract art for fun and occasional art shows. The music I produce has an abstract quality to it as well, mainly because of its electronic foundations and textures.

I've been spending a lot of time with my Radias lately and really digging into it. There's a lot of sonic potential there in that small silver box!

[michelkeijzers]

That's a coincide, I only know 3 graphic designers (including you now), one is my old youth friend who is a drummer/singer of a band (professionally) and one graphic designer is an ex-drummer of our band.

[tpantano]

Here's something quite radical: Mathematics, Science, the Arts- they're all the same thing.

The state of mind necessary to create mathematical models and to derive formulas, the state of mind to be a high-class chef and invent new food dishes from ingredients alone, the state of mind to put paint on paper in a creative way, the state of mind to create new timbres with a synth, the state of mind to compose an orchestral arrangement- they're all the same type of thinking.

Now, I'm not trying to imply that solving 35 divided by 7 is the same kind of thinking of an artist. But, creating formulas, like the Pythagorean theorem, the thinking that went into that- I feel that it's the same method of thinking that an artist with a paint brush uses. It's taking what you know, and using it to create something new entirely.

I'm not a believer in a deity, but the biblical statement that "God created man in his own image" has had me thinking in the past. Perhaps it's not meant to be taken literally- perhaps it means that we were created with the ability to create, rather than simply meaning that we're anthropomorphic.

A mathematician creates new ways to compare the various measurable aspects and attributes of an object, a scientist creates ways of using these values practically; a chef creates foods that inspire various chemical emotions in a diner and a musician creates sounds that do the same. All of the professions are about creativity.

[michelkeijzers]

I also believe that is right ...

The reason I am not good at e.g. paining is probably I'm to clumsy for it (or haven't practiced it enough) ... probably my keyboard playing was also bad if I didn't spend so much time to it either.

[X-Trade]

I agree wholeheartedly with tpantano.

Btw, I am in IT Systems/Support and also Web Development, sysadmin, etc. (yeah, I have a very varied but technical role)

[cello]

I'm an airline operations consultant and it's all about creativity!

I look at existing operations and try come up with better ways of operating aircraft, better security, better passenger experience and of course better efficiency. But it's all about being creative.

And then there's the more spiritual side to my job. Seeing an aircraft at the end of a runway weighing more than 250 tons gather speed and for the briefest moment it is actually weightless as it rotates and climbs into the sky - all that technology coming together and producing something wonderful.

Just like my music - lots of technology, new ideas, constantly trying to get something wonderful - even if it is only for an audience of 1!

[michelkeijzers]

@Cello: Thanks for your nice story

I also like airports, I don't fly much but some years ago I almost started to write a computer game about the simulation of an airport so I recognize also the creativity and technical parts of your job.

[John Hendry]

Music is seen as a sort of bridge between mathematics/physics and creativity.

Yes....and it's all about tuning...and tuning is all about dealing with the problem of the Harmonic Comma which is a result of time being relative to tonal space, which mathematically is the same as any other space in the Universe. And it all adds up to create the creativity that pours out of this Forum with few exceptions.

Fortunately tuning is also connected to the length of a string and octaves to make space a comprehensible subject we can talk about using numbers. Musicians use their ears to describe a language of laws based on a feeling connected to it that relies on the allocation of tonal space and proper timing we call rhythm and logic. And equally simple, time only has two directions relative to the Observer that create phase throughout all its dimensions. This is why the Unified Field Theory equation was posted on Korg Forum first and understood well enough by some to understand the concept of "T" which stands for time. It also represents the strong force to those that are in to physics but is not required to understand the equation that is nothing more than a simple algebraic clock that runs off quantum gravity that causes Mass to oscillate for it's pendulum every clock has in it, as well as a CPU found in every computer. You could say it's powered by time itself but that's not technically correct. It makes sense people who play music using oscillators and filters controlled by computers would be ahead of others in understanding the UFT and the laws of Real Relativity associated with it created by adding the weight of the Observer's Mass to add to Special Relativity.

Every reason, every event, everything has a frame of information containing and connecting it in phase with the two dimensions of up and down connected to time. Adding forward and back will make your head spin. Fortunately it only spins in one direction or you wouldn't be able to read this. Your reading this is because a long frame of information shows my first keyboard was a Korg M1. The progress of tuning can be seen in the M50 sitting next to me that has the two phase directions of time relative to space marked above each key in proper ascending order that looking back in time shows the descending order. Understanding why a 5th above is a 4th below is the key to everything we can ever imagine. To avoid getting locked out of its logic you can imagine space as length and suddenly the strangest subject you can imagine makes more sense....and it doesn't stop there and only stops here for a split second till you make it to hear how I got here in the first place so we can all blame it on Sharp who owns this web site to enhance creativity, not Korg. Whoops...that's not true. First you have to blame it on Korg for making the M1, then back to Sharp, and then back to Korg for hosting it which is very unusual for a frame of information this long. Large corporations usually control this much weight, not a single individual.

And this chain of cause and effect we too often call blame that has no room for chance to change it's course the Observer effects that has caused more Wars than you want to remember because of our own free will goes all the way back in time but it always stays in phase with up and down no matter how you compare information frames that overlap each other till you get to the very end of the string that is called an inertial frame of reference in physics to measure time as well as space from that despite being a very simple concept has confused modern physicists to no end.

The original Circle of Fifths was corrected by placing tonal space relative to time to create the New Circle of Fifths that some who have not seen it said was impossible. Nothing is impossible if you add enough space to it in the right order. Why Einstein didn't do this since he played the violin is beyond me as it's exceptionally simple to do. I should point out the solution to doing it is also the primary solution to the ITS helicopter control system using electronics solving the adverse yaw problem in a single rotor helicopter system as well as building a proper flying saucer.

Einstein was right: "God does not play dice with the Universe".
E=h+{a-comma}c/λ
E=h+{☼}c/λ
©JFH^^

Wikipedia article Planck–Einstein equation
"The Planck constant is related to the quantization of light and matter. Therefore, the Planck constant can be seen as an atomic-scale constant. In a unit system adapted to atomic scales, the electronvolt is the appropriate unit of energy and the Petahertz the appropriate unit of frequency. In such an atomic units system, Planck's constant is indeed described by a number of order 1."

Planck–Einstein equation corrected by separating it for entropy and Instance location of Mass by adding graviton’s phase arrow of space/time with asymmetry of the weak force added and harmonic comma CERN/SLAC data combined created placed in 4th phase proving Einstein’s famous statement is correct and quantum mechanics was wrong. Like I said in 1972. There are 4 parts in an atom: what goes up must come down. The only thing that oscillates with 3 phases/parts is a caveman’s cart with two axles and 3 wheels. Note: The ‘hole” opposite the electron in every modern book on electricity is the Graviton misnamed. Space is the force carrier of gravity. Talk about being blind…..now try measuring the electron’s speed and position….last chance.

Low to high entropy, E=h+{a-lesser diesis}c/wavelength.
High to low entropy, E=h+{a}c/wavelength. The lesser diesis is named Einstein’s comma, but here it’s Maxwell’s Demon….turned into Einstein's Angel proving he was right.

A=☼ (with Einstein’s Comma, top equation is forward arrow of time and actually at that point in time only subtracts 1/2 the value (slightly less if you really want to get technical) as shown in last CERN/SLAC calculation set subtracting 2.48e-5 from 2.58e-5 to create .20e-5 comma added to reverse phase arrow direction @ 2.68e-5.)

Credit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon
"In the philosophy of thermal and statistical physics, Maxwell's demon is a thought experiment created by the physicist James Clerk Maxwell to "show that the Second Law of Thermodynamics has only a statistical certainty". It demonstrates Maxwell's point by hypothetically describing how to violate the Second Law: a container is divided into two parts by an insulated wall, with a door that can be opened and closed by what came to be called "Maxwell's demon". The demon opens the door to allow only the "hot" molecules of gas to flow through to a favoured side of the chamber, causing that side to gradually heat up while the other side cools down, thus decreasing entropy.

In his letters and book, Maxwell described the agent opening the door between the chambers as a "finite being". William Thomson (Lord Kelvin) was the first to use the word "demon" for Maxwell's concept, in the journal Nature in 1874, and implied that he intended the mediating, rather than malevolent, connotation of the word.

Several physicists have presented calculations that show that the second law of thermodynamics will not actually be violated, if a more complete analysis is made of the whole system including the demon." In this case the Observer.

CERN’s neutrinos exceeding the speed of light @ v-c/c=2.48 sec in 453.6 miles is an exact match creating the needed comma associated with Stanford’s SLAC E158 weak force asymmetry value showing the cause of 2.48e-5 is not the politics of a “loose fiber optic cable” checked countless times with the same “gain in space” shown by FERMI Lab’s neutrinos supporting an observation that goes back to 1947 and is summed up in 2007 by G. Nimtz and A. A. Stahlhofen who also thought it occurs outside the bounds of Special Relativity [arXiv:0708.0681v1] not aware of the simple explanation SLAC’s E158 data provides with direct proof provided by the E158 data exposing a gain in 453.6 miles also @ 2.48e-5 with a .20 harmonic comma as predicted for the needed asymmetry in the reverse arrow/phase of time the calculations reveal changing physics. Note: Comma size is based on CERN’s original v-c/c=2.48e-5 now v-c/c=2.37e-5 and the E158 ratio unchanged but I said the exact comma size was yet unknown and since Google picked up 2.48e-5 I’m leaving it there. It would appear my fist post on Nature's Forum making a correction to the E158 data was possibly correct based on another party's computations of CERN's neutrino data that left the last step out adding the second phase of the graviton proving I'm not a mathematician or I'd do it with my eyes shut. Both are well within CERN’s margins’ and that's the important thing. SLAC’s E158 data comes from the distance light travels in 1000 years at the speed of light in a ratio to a 1 hour SOL gain making this comparative measurement the most spectacular ever made in physics and does so in regard to the most important observation in the History of Man thanks to CERN and the E158 team.

What this means is E=m+{a}c2 outside the weak force as has been observed with light since we had the ability to do so where E=mc2 inside it because the original equation does not include the photon’s force carrier space the neutrino provides to exit the weak force to the strong force. So you need asymmetry to have a comma, or a comma to have asymmetry. Same thing. This changes physics far more that E=mc2 did due to the infrastructure in place to take advantage of the energy tap {a} provides. It brings back time in sync with Newton’s understanding of time but armed with E=mc2 corrected as well as Newton’s law by adding the second reverse phase in time held by “imaginary” numbers in physics that never adds up correct without {a} added to expose the second “real” phase in time. F=m+{a}a Here {a} corrects the error detected in Newton’s law and let’s gravity balance out in EM.