velocity curve doesn't reach 127

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:32 am

Well,

I went to GC today and tested the 61 key and sure enough 117 was the most I could get out of it. I had their keyboard salesman try it and he couldn't reach that high until we did another take and he really hit the keys. His response - I'm glad I bought a Nord!

Korg USA suggested I take my 88 key in but there's nothing wrong with it, it's a design flaw or perhaps a desired limitation for some unknown reason. I don't want to waste the time and money taking it in when it is simply they way it's made.

It seems the "brick wall" will be something we have to deal with until Korg gets around to addressing it.

Ten2One

Newsounds4kronos · Post by **Newsounds4kronos** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:17 am

So in my disapointments arte comfirmed
1) A horrible 61 keybed with crap velocity curves
2) The use of samples; a lot was expected as far as sample loading since it promised to be a game changer......NOt....shall I mention the uselless compatibility with soundfonts ...?? or the cpu strugling.

Anyway back to topic. no wonder my piano sounds amazing when controled by midi. I alwayes thought I was going crazy, but now is comfirmed.... I ain't crazy.

Gonna start looking for another keyboard.

davc1 · Post by **davc1** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:14 am

i've had my Kronos 88 since they came out ... the first 88 in Tampa

and yes i have made many adjustments to several Velocity adjustments ... as there are many places to adjust that from, besides the Global mode and the main page of the piano ...

and yes i am a classical trained pianist ... and yes every keyboard i have ever owed has required a good bit of adjustment to make it feel right for me ... but i've been playing for 48 years , so rather than complain about it , i sit down and figure out how to make the proper adjustments to make it work for me .. everything cannot be ready made to feel 'just right' for everybody ..!?
that's why keys have been " programmable " for a while ...

If .. it is a technical issue ... i'm sure Korg will figure it out , as they've been around for a while also ...

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:53 am

Wow, I'm really impressed.

Does your "tricked out" Kronos transmit the full 127 velocities?

If so, what adjustments did you make?

If not, excuse me while I continue to complain about a flagship unit that can't implement the full velocity spec.

Ten2One

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:13 am

I don't want add fuel to the flames, but as the Kronos is the direct descendant of the OASYS, I was just wondering if the OASYS-88 reaches the velocity maximum of 127 and made the test...and it does it just perfectly right, with the default velocity curve (4). So the Kronos really should show the same behaviour as the OASYS in this regard, because they share the same synth engines (of course apart from the SGX-1 and EP-1 pianos) designed for the full velocity range from 0-127.
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Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:26 am

Danny,

You surely had to do a lot of tweaking to get the OASYS to respond to all 127 velocities because we can't expect that to work right out of the box.

Ten2One

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:43 am

Ten2One wrote:Danny,

You surely had to do a lot of tweaking to get the OASYS to respond to all 127 velocities because we can't expect that to work right out of the box.

Ten2One

No, I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong. I didn't have to tweak anything on the OASYS!!!

I just went to Combi Mode. Then I opened the "MIDI Filter/Zones tab and then choose the "Velocits Zones" tab.

Now if you press the "Enter" button while you hit a key, the choosen parameter field (with the velocity parameters from 0-127) will immediately show the velocity value you've just hit.

And with the default velocity curve (4) I can reach the velocity maximum of 127 as any musician would expect.

You have to hit the key like a full forte, but it works with a normal playing technique and it is also not too easy to reach the maximum.
As I've already said in my post before: it works just perfectly right on the OASYS.

Sorry folks, but this is the fact! If Kronos doesn't behave the same way, then something is unfortunately wrong...and I feel sorry for all Kronos users and hope Korg will offer a fix as soon as possible.
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Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:18 am

Danny,

Thank you so much for giving us something concrete to look at, how long have you been pla...ah, never mind <vbg>.

I tried your test on the Kronos 88 that I have and the velocity max was 116 but I was hitting a single key very hard on curve 4.

I switched to velocity curve 9 and got 119 but again, I would never actually strike the keys that hard.

I recorded an 8 bar sequence in my DAW and then duplicated it to another track and increased the velocities on the second track by 20. There is another level to be had from between 120-127 but you need to be able to reach it without standing on the keys! It wasn't just louder, the samples were different. So, my K receives on all 127 it just doesn't produce the full velocity range from the keybed.

I hope other K users will do this test, it is simple enough. KORG USA said they weren't even aware of any issue like this so 3-5 guys with this problem won't have much impact but 50, 100, 500 might cause them to address the issue quickly.

Ten2One

rob314159 · Post by **rob314159** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:56 am

Dany wrote:No, I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong. I didn't have to tweak anything on the OASYS!!!

I just went to Combi Mode. Then I opened the "MIDI Filter/Zones tab and then choose the "Velocits Zones" tab...

And with the default velocity curve (4) I can reach the velocity maximum of 127 as any musician would expect.

You have to hit the key like a full forte, but it works with a normal playing technique and it is also not too easy to reach the maximum.
As I've already said in my post before: it works just perfectly right on the OASYS.

Sorry folks, but this is the fact! If Kronos doesn't behave the same way, then something is unfortunately wrong...and I feel sorry for all Kronos users and hope Korg will offer a fix as soon as possible.
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I tried doing this on velocity curve 6 on my 61, and was indeed able to get a 127, though it was hard. But regular playing could achieve values in the 120s. Now, on the opposite end, it was much harder to control dynamic range for the values in the single digits to about 30.

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:20 pm

Dany wrote:I don't want add fuel to the flames, but as the Kronos is the direct descendant of the OASYS, I was just wondering if the OASYS-88 reaches the velocity maximum of 127 and made the test...and it does it just perfectly right, with the default velocity curve (4). So the Kronos really should show the same behaviour as the OASYS in this regard, because they share the same synth engines (of course apart from the SGX-1 and EP-1 pianos) designed for the full velocity range from 0-127.
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This is likely because the Oasys has the RH2 keybed, which BTW never had te issues the Kronos has:
- Cutoff notes.
- Heterogeneous spacing between notes.
- Mechanical click and clunking noise.
- Incorrect calibration of the velocity.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Just tested and confirmed that vel curve 4 will generate velocity = 127 on a KRONOS 61. You have to play hard.

Velocity is calibrated at the factory. It's always possible that something went wrong with that; if you think it's a problem, contact your national Korg Distributor (e.g. Korg USA if you're in the states) and they should be glad to help.

- Dan

Ten2One · Post by **Ten2One** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:51 pm

Dan,

Thank you for that information. Is there any way you could check an 88 key?

Thank you,

Ten2One

Scatter · Post by **Scatter** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:30 pm

hard = smashing a black key with a closed fist

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:34 pm

Scatter wrote:hard = smashing a black key with a closed fist

Hard means playing hard. Fists aren't necessary.

Again - if anyone has a problem with your particular KRONOS, please contact your national Korg distributor and they should be able to help.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:35 pm

Ten2One wrote:Dan,

Thank you for that information. Is there any way you could check an 88 key?

Thank you,

Ten2One

We'll test and let you know.