Program 000 Kronos Grand German defect in one note?

.Jens · Post by **.Jens** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:51 pm

.Jens wrote:Not confirmed here...

Sorry, you are right - confirmed. I just had the wrong octave - after seeing the actual youtube video about the phenomon, I have to damit, it's there on mine, too.

And I am also convinced that this is no "normal" string resonance - the original is surely not supposed to sound like that.

bguenthe · Post by **bguenthe** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:33 pm

.Jens wrote:
.Jens wrote:Not confirmed here...
...after seeing the actual youtube video about the phenomon, I have to damit, it's there on mine, too.

The youtube video? Where is it!

Bernd

.Jens · Post by **.Jens** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Sorry, it was from another forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVsYIh1l6w&feature=plcp

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:28 pm

bguenthe wrote:Ok, I asked my girlfried; She can't hear it the first time, but with headphones she is also able to hear it. It is not so easy to hear.

I tried it via midi-connection (it was the c#3 on the programm that I used and it was the same. So I think it is an error in the sampling (if this is possible).

Wow, that would be a first in the history of romplers

. I'm sure if you take the time to check the thousands of samples in the Kronos, you might find a bunch of not perfect samples in there.

The moral of this thread is: Don't do a piano solo piece with only C#2 notes that is to be monitored only via good quality headphones.

If the OP started this thread only to confirm that it's not his Kronos that is defect, it's quite alright. But the idea to take it to Korg because there's a sample in the Gb library tha isn't perfect.... come on!

Blink

Yuma · Post by **Yuma** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:37 pm

blinkofanI wrote:If the OP started this thread only to confirm that it's not his Kronos that is defect, it's quite alright. But the idea to take it to Korg because there's a sample in the Gb library tha isn't perfect.... come on!

Blink

That depends imo on whether the sample just isn't perfect but not disturbing, or really imperfect, noticable and disturbing/annoying.
Especially if that sample is part of the SGX-1 engine which has been a huge selling point of the Kronos.

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:57 pm

Yuma wrote:
blinkofanI wrote:If the OP started this thread only to confirm that it's not his Kronos that is defect, it's quite alright. But the idea to take it to Korg because there's a sample in the Gb library tha isn't perfect.... come on!

Blink
That depends imo on whether the sample just isn't perfect but not disturbing, or really imperfect, noticable and disturbing/annoying.
Especially if that sample is part of the SGX-1 engine which has been a huge selling point of the Kronos.

Hi Yuma,
Well, yes, obviously. But i think we can rule out the disturbing/annoying part as 2 persons said they had to wear good headphones or else they couldn't hear it the first time, and the first reply said he didn't hear it. Imperfect, probably, as we don't live in a perfect world.

Blink

Ev1ldead7272 · Post by **Ev1ldead7272** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:21 pm

blinkofanI wrote:If the OP started this thread only to confirm that it's not his Kronos that is defect, it's quite alright. But the idea to take it to Korg because there's a sample in the Gb library tha isn't perfect.... come on!

Blink

Hi,
I think bguenthe as indeed myself were more concerned if we had a defect keyboard and I replied to clarify I hear the same thing, to be fair I'm used to how it sounds now and the German grand is my favourite of all the SGX -1 pianos..though yet to hear the Austrian ones.
I'm not taking anything to korg..Martin at production room who kindly tested out the Kronos models to confirm it was the sample said he would speak with the korg rep...as far as I'm concerned if it's part of the sample that's fine..I'm just glad it's not a keyboard defect.

Yuma has a good point though, considering the Sgx-1 is one of the big features korg are selling it on and also the fact that it's the first sound you hear when the keyboard loads it should be perfect.

Regards Nathaniel.

levioter · Post by **levioter** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

I am sorry may be I am completely stupid but I hear only the normal resonance (metallic) of a real piano string !
To me this seems normal !

On the video I hear a little more resonance but the record is really really bad !
I have a Beyerdynamic DT880 PRO as headphones to listen to that so I cannot say it is my headphones.

So may be it is my hears

Someone else can hear this problem ???

PS: I own also a K73

Cheers

.Jens · Post by **.Jens** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:01 pm

levioter wrote:I am sorry may be I am completely stupid but I hear only the normal resonance (metallic) of a real piano string !
To me this seems normal !

[...]

Someone else can hear this problem ???

As I said, yes. And someone on another german forum is complaining about it also (he made the video).

I have to admit that I used decent headphones, too. But we are definitely not talking about "normal" resonance - at least not of pianos in general. It's only one particular key (the lowest C# on a 61), and it's not even a resonance of a straight octave or other "simple" harmonics. It's a clearly audible tone (the note A in the highest octave WITH dampers - i.e. the second highest A on a 88 keyboard).
I am quite sure that even a Steinway doesn't have this type of resonance on a single note normally.
But: as obviously all velocity layers are affected (which means more than only one sample), it seems like either
a) something resonated in the recording setup (part of the actual piano, or something around)
b) the damper on the A key was defective or inadvertedtly slightly off-position during recording
c) there is a wrong sample index stored for some supplement/"background" samples like string resonance or harmonics...

In the youtube video it's hard to hear, though...

blinkofanI · Post by **blinkofanI** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:30 pm

levioter wrote:I am sorry may be I am completely stupid but I hear only the normal resonance (metallic) of a real piano string !
To me this seems normal !

On the video I hear a little more resonance but the record is really really bad !
I have a Beyerdynamic DT880 PRO as headphones to listen to that so I cannot say it is my headphones.

So may be it is my hears

Someone else can hear this problem ???

PS: I own also a K73

Cheers

Yeah, i posted yesterday without even taking the time to check it out. I tried it last night at different velocities and didn't noticed anything. Maybe i don't have the ears of others here. I don't want to doubt that others are hearing something, but honestly, i don't.

Blink

.Jens · Post by **.Jens** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:35 pm

...I double checked right now: The effect is also clearly audible in the bad quality of the YT video - if you once heard it

But, to be fair: even if it's not really "normal" - I don't find it very disturbing, it's an acoustic instrument (or resemblance of...) after all. I'd call it "character", even it may not be intended...

bguenthe · Post by **bguenthe** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:56 am

Hi,

I reported the problem to my local store yesterday. Hope they will inform Korg about this prob.

I want primary make shure that my Kronos is not defekt.

But as yuma said. This SGX-1 is one of the BIG-features of the Kronos Workstation and should be perfekt. And I'm sharing the Kronos with my gilrfriend. And she wants to play the only the piano. So I'm not that amused about this issue.

Bernd