USB - Ethernet Adaptors

Fred x · Post by **Fred x** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:36 pm

Hi

I purchased an Apple USB - Ethernet Adaptor as recommended in the Kronos manual, the adaptor was initially recognised by the Kronos and showed the Router address and the connected IP Address, I then went to the PC to set up the FTP and could not see the Kronos. I then went back upstairs and the Kronos was displaying a message saying a cable was disconnected. I have tried a couple of cables, contacted the seller that I bought the adaptor from and then tried a new one. Still the same problem.

The USB Sockets still work with a conventional stick inserted.

I have the latest Operating System installed (2.0.2)

Any one had similar problems with the USB - Ethernet Adaptors.

Fred

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:43 pm

I also had the same problem with the Official Apple USB adaptor... In the end I got a generic one from eBay (£5.59 UK) and I've had no problems with it.

BTW... I noticed that the Apple adaptor got quite toasty!

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:14 pm

I have the same adaptor and I don't ever remember having a problem.

This is a long shot but here goes anyway.....I only ever use Static IP's on our network. Maybe there is something in that ?
Maybe the router scanning, or other devices are causing problems with Dynamic IP's that make the KRONOS disconnect.

It's a real long shot, I know.

Regards
Sharp.

Yuma · Post by **Yuma** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:55 pm

Fred x wrote:...I then went to the PC to set up the FTP and could not see the Kronos. I then went back upstairs and the Kronos was displaying a message saying a cable was disconnected.

As I understand it, you have a very long UTP-cable running from your Kronos to your router.
While this theoretically shouldn't be an issue (the maximum length for a CAT5 UTP-cable segment is 100 meters), in this specific case it might be the cause of your problem.
If I am correct, then a machine detects whether a network cable is connected or not by the presence of an electrical signal.
Longer cables weaken that signal, thus making a network card think there's nothing connected.
In your case it might be resulting in an unstable signal, resulting in a connection that breaks up.
I might be far off with this assumption though.

Does your router show when a network cable gets connected (by LED for example)?
In that case take out the Kronos UTP-cable and plug it back into your router.
See if a LED turns on on your router, showing that a cable is connected.

Sharp wrote:I only ever use Static IP's on our network. Maybe there is something in that ?
Maybe the router scanning, or other devices are causing problems with Dynamic IP's that make the KRONOS disconnect.

I think network cards can already detect connectivity without IP-address.
Connectivity is on the physical layer of networks, whereas IP-adddress is on the network layer (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model).

Fred x · Post by **Fred x** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:16 pm

Hi Guys

Many thanks for taking the time to respond.

When I initially plugged in the adaptor the DCHP setting detected the router and was allocated the next available IP address, after about 3 mins (yes the adaptor was quite hot) it showed that a cable was disconnected. the second adaptor did not show any connection at all.
My network is quite small as far as distance is concerned although it is a multi-node one with several Ethernet switches.

I will have to get out the manual for the router and then select manual addressing.

Fred

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:39 pm

I will have to get out the manual for the router and then select manual addressing.

I highly doubt you need to touch the router. It's extremely likely it’s already running a static IP.

It's the KRONOS you should only have to work on. Just connect the KRONOS, and whatever Dynamic IP it jumps to when connected will be displayed on the screen. Make note of this number, then change the options to Static on the KRONOS nd enter in the number you wrote down.

Hopefully that will do the trick.

Regards
Sharp.

Fred x · Post by **Fred x** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:57 pm

Hi Sharp

When I conned the adaptor it does not allocate a Dynamic address, although the first time a couple of days ago it did for 3 or 4 mins.

I have logged on to the Router and checked settings etc. Surprisingly it showed a connected device (korg) but when I rebooted the router it disappeared from the list.

I have allocated an IP address manually but it still shows cable disconnected. It will not allow me to change configuration (host Name) just says config failed.

Fred

Yuma · Post by **Yuma** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:20 pm

That really sounds like a physical connection error.
Question is: which equipment is the cause?

It could be the port you're using on your router.
Not sure if you have more empty ports, but if so, then try to plug the UTP-cable into a different port.
Sometimes UTP-ports get a bit wacky.

Also make sure that your USB Ethernet adapter is plugged in firmly/properly into your Kronos.
Might want to try the other USB-port on the Kronos as well.

copajaus · Post by **copajaus** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:04 pm

Hi there,

Got the same issue when trying to connect the KRONOS to my MAC PRO using the recommended Apple RG45/USB adapter.
When you use FTP you can connect but really it's quite primitive and it should be a lot more straight forward. I was hoping for the hard drive to appear on the MAC as a mounted device with full sharing access.

The ID and password as well are not documented anywhere, I could not find any reference to it. I know it's kronos/kronos but again it should be clearly stated somewhere.

Finally, there is no way to have the KRONOS hooked up as a network device, I could not find a network ID field on the network parameters screen.

I thing it's just a question of time before those issues are solved with a new O/S release.

Hope it helps.

Cheers.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:13 pm

You can mount it as a drive on OS X but it will be read only, blame apple for this not korg!

The user/password is set on the Kronos, you can set it to whatever you want.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:19 pm

copajaus wrote:Hi there,

Got the same issue when trying to connect the KRONOS to my MAC PRO using the recommended Apple RG45/USB adapter.
When you use FTP you can connect but really it's quite primitive and it should be a lot more straight forward. I was hoping for the hard drive to appear on the MAC as a mounted device with full sharing access.

You can do this with third-party Mac software if desired.

For ftp, I use Transmit and like it a lot. Cyberduck is a free alternative.

copajaus wrote:The ID and password as well are not documented anywhere, I could not find any reference to it. I know it's kronos/kronos but again it should be clearly stated somewhere.

These parameters and their defaults are described in the Network section of the Parameter Guide.

copajaus wrote:Finally, there is no way to have the KRONOS hooked up as a network device, I could not find a network ID field on the network parameters screen.

Can you describe what you mean by "hooked up as a network device" and "network ID field?"

In general, this part of the Parameter Guide may be helpful:

Global -> P0: Basic Setup -> 0–5: Network

Best regards,

Dan

copajaus · Post by **copajaus** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:08 am

Hi Dan,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

What I am talking about is the assignation of a network/workgroup name so I can declare the KRONOS as part of my home network.
Basically, I would like the Hard drive on the KRONOS to be mounted and available on my MAC PRO like a standard USB drive would.
So far I have been unsuccessful doing so. If I am missing something, let me know.
May be in future O/S releases....

Cheers.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:08 am

The Kronos offers FTP only, so if your OS allows you to mount FTP servers as drives you are ok.

Apple in their ultimate wisdom only allow you to mount FTP servers as read only, they probably thought you don't need to write to them, or it was untidy or something!

On OS X mount it using Finder->Go->Connect To Server for the server address use this format:

ftp://username:password@kronos.local

As Dan says the easiest way is to use some app that gives you finder type access to fit, I use FileZilla which works well for me.

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:04 am

I use FETCH. Also very simple, quick and easy.

david130653 · Post by **david130653** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:07 am

I realise this does not help anyone trying to connect their Kronoses (Kronii?) to FTP servers, but just in case anyone from Korg is reading, why did you not go for the very simple solution that the Triton Extreme had?

On the Extreme, there was a setting, under the Media\Utility menu that allowed you to use the USB midi connection to connect the Extreme's Memory Cards and External USB storage to the PC / Mac host the midi USB was connected to.

The Extreme storage then appeared as a drive in File Manager / My Computer / etc. You could move data to and from the Extreme. Then when you had finished, flip the virtual switch on the Extreme and the storage was re-mounted by the Triton. Simples.

The M3 did not have anything like this and I am very disappointed that the Kronos has to have this clumsy workaround. Please Korg, go back to how it was done in the Extreme.

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