Piano Mechanical noise

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:14 pm

I turn them all off. Nice feature and attention to detail, but is it necessary?

Niblit · Post by **Niblit** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:19 pm

I turn it off.. But I have a question: if left on, does it have any significant effect on the polyphony?

miden · Post by **miden** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:21 pm

No offence meant at all, but as this is already a user controllable option...I don't really see the need for a poll....perhaps I am wrong, and I am misunderstanding your premise?

Would it not be simply better as a general question put to the forum?

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:22 pm

Niblit wrote:I turn it off.. But I have a question: if left on, does it have any significant effect on the polyphony?

Good question

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:25 pm

miden wrote:No offence meant at all, but as this is already a user controllable option...I don't really see the need for a poll....perhaps I am wrong, and I am misunderstanding your premise?

Would it not be simply better as a general question put to the forum?

Possibly, but no offence meant, this is my question and how I felt like I wanted to express it.

miden · Post by **miden** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:29 pm

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:40 pm

I'm still not convinced I've noticed damper or mechanical noise yet regardless of whether I set them to + or - figures

dfahrner · Post by **dfahrner** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:56 pm

When I was using an MOX8 to control my K61, I had to turn the mechanical and release noise levels down on the SGX-1 pianos; since the MOX doesn't send note-off release velocity, the SGX-1 engine defaults to a release velocity of 64, which is way too loud...when I started using a K73, with the RH3 keybed that does generate release velocity, I turned these parameters back on, and was surprised at the difference it made, and how much more realistic the pianos sounded, at least for home / solo / duo playing...it probably doesn't make much difference in a live band situation...

A related problem is that the sequencer doesn't record release velocity, and piano tracks recorded with most other MIDI instruments don't have release velocity either, so SGX-1 mechanical and release noise are always too loud on playback, and you have to go in and disable the noise parameters...maybe there should be a way to globally set the default release velocity to some lower value, but it's not a big deal...

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michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:53 am

I turn it a bit down ... if you play on the Kronos itself it sounds great, but if you play it from another keyboard the mechanical noise is always at 127 which is way too hard.

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:05 pm

My first instrument was a piano and I like to play pure piano sounds. On the Kronos I had for the first time the feeling of a natural piano sound experience that a keyboard had given to me. Be it the tiny mechanical noises or the resonances of the body and the strings ... if you listen carefully to it. I love it.

But I assume, in a mix all this will be lost to the ear. It would be interesting to know, if disabling the feature would save polyphony. I have run already into situations, where the piano together with other voices exceeded the performance limits.

RKfan · Post by **RKfan** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:24 pm

It is a great feature - sounds like a real piano - why would you want to take something (free) away?

You dont have to use it - but I guess if it was not available and say Roland or Yamaha implemented it then we'd all be moaning

DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:21 pm

RKfan wrote:It is a great feature - sounds like a real piano - why would you want to take something (free) away?

You dont have to use it - but I guess if it was not available and say Roland or Yamaha implemented it then we'd all be moaning

My suspicions are that it would probably be a widespread complaint.

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:59 pm

Why even question anything you have, but can turn off if you don't need/want it?

Interestingly yesterday I heard a really great jazz recording that started with a wonderful sax solo. As I was thinking about what made it sound so good (trying to imagine miking techniques, etc) I realized that the click of the keys were just slightly present. The mic was probably in tight and got a warm wonderful tone. My mind actually jumped to the Kronos and these piano sounds and thought how every instrument should have some of those mechanical sounds available. If there is a sax in there with key click, hope someone can point me to it, if not, would be great to set one up.

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:23 pm

ed_f wrote:If there is a sax in there with key click, hope someone can point me to it, if not, would be great to set one up.

I fear I must disappoint you. I play sax myself and had a brief listening to the samples in the Kronos. They are not bad for the background, but as a solo voice even a click noise wouldn't be much of an improvement.

Sax sampling seems to be a very hard job, because this instrument features so much shades of sound that a very large sample library is necessary to capture the timbres. During the last years I have found only one library that is convincing enough. Check out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s1rk6M-n60

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:26 pm

Corgy wrote:
ed_f wrote:If there is a sax in there with key click, hope someone can point me to it, if not, would be great to set one up.
I fear I must disappoint you. I play sax myself and had a brief listening to the samples in the Kronos. They are not bad for the background, but as a solo voice even a click noise wouldn't be much of an improvement.

Sax sampling seems to be a very hard job, because this instrument features so much shades of sound that a very large sample library is necessary to capture the timbres. During the last years I have found only one library that is convincing enough. Check out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... s1rk6M-n60

Thanks for the input. I agree I will never get what I really am looking for with what the Kronos has now. But, a little riff here and there it works fine for a lot that I do. The additions of some key click when it seems right just seems like a nice option.
I have talked myself into trying to find some key click samples and work on adding them to a patch or two.
The link sounds nice - thanks again.

---- just looked into that library - near the top of the list of features is: intensity of key noise (to try and keep in the spirit of the thread)

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