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danatkorg wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:@Dan: Isn´t it tiresome to have people always fall over the same OS bugs, which you obviously have to sell as well documented features? :roll:
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In contrast, you are just crashing the thread with your usual tiresome attempts at insults. Since you no longer own the product, there is only one reason for you to continue to do this. Like "tiresome" it also starts with a "t."
Dear Dan Phillips
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As your title at Korg tells me you may have a little influence in things like UI and OS design? It´s nice to help people getting over problems. But don´t you think you are a bit responsible for the problem in the first place?
Or you may know someone who is responsible and can alter things? What other method than calling things by their real name aka bugs, deprecated features (or s**t) do I have as a customer? None.
But maybe Sharp or Pepperpotty will be helpful in quelling all anger by closing threads or baning people who have lost time and nerves with these bugs in Korgs product. Maybe Korgs next product/update is able to correct this major issue? 76 chars are a bad joke in 2014.
It´s also mindbogling to see people being thankful for this restrictions or fanboys arguing we have been spoiled by NTFS or EXT3 features available for decades now. :roll:
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Saxifraga wrote:
danatkorg wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:@Dan: Isn´t it tiresome to have people always fall over the same OS bugs, which you obviously have to sell as well documented features? :roll:
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In contrast, you are just crashing the thread with your usual tiresome attempts at insults. Since you no longer own the product, there is only one reason for you to continue to do this. Like "tiresome" it also starts with a "t."
Dear Dan Phillips
Product Manager, Korg R&D

As your title at Korg tells me you may have a little influence in things like UI and OS design? It´s nice to help people getting over problems. But don´t you think you are a bit responsible for the problem in the first place?

Or you may know someone who is responsible and can alter things? What other method than calling things by their real name aka bugs, deprecated features (or s**t) do I have as a customer? None.
On this forum, I frequently take part in conversations about both bugs and feature requests. It is perfectly possible to do so while maintaining a polite and constructive approach. What I object to is not your complaining about something that you'd like to be changed, but rather your consistently hostile, supercilious, and generally rude approach.

Remember that this is not a forum for official support, and I am here on my own time and of my own free will. I do not accept abusive behavior from others in any aspect of my life, and this forum is no exception.

You write that you are a "customer." However, that does not appear to be the case. You sold your KRONOS some time ago. Given that, it seems unlikely that you would have a sincere interest in system minutiae. Much more likely, especially given your consistently hostile tone, is that you are simply arguing for the sake of argument. We all have better ways to spend our time, I believe.
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If you need to contact me for purposes other than technical support, please do not send PMs; instead, send email to dan@korgrd.com
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Saxifraga wrote: Korg, Roland and Yamaha etc. may be good at programing DSPs but theri UI(Korg) and OS(Korg/Roland/Yamaha) is s**t.
I don't see many problems in the UI ... it could be more fancy, but I'm glad it is not. I want an easy to use GUI without fancy stuff that makes it slower than needed.

Of course a lot can be improved, that's why I made PCG Tools, for example to check which programs are used by which combis and even more easier ways to move programs, combis and set list slots around.

You seem to compare everything with an iThing, but many people don't realize that development costs are huge, and for a 'niche' product like a synthesizer, the development cost per sold item is even higher.

E.g. let's say it would cost 10 man years to make the perfect GUI. That's let's say 10 * 100K (including development possibilities etc) 1M. Divided over 10.000 instruments (which is a lot) is 100 per instrument. Maybe 10 man years is not enough, maybe 10.000 instruments is on the high side. And even then 100 euro added to the cost of an instrument is huge, especially for lower priced synths.

Please don't chase people from Korg away from this forum ... as he (and others would) state, they are here by own will and we should be glad they help out users. Many companies could learn from that.
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Ok. I give up.
If all are happy with this OS behaviour it's no use to complain.
Korg will not do anything about their filesystem inconsistencies.
And you are right, if nothing is done about this problems I will be no customer in the future. Will rather buy some more software synth.

Last remark: If you have a subroutine that will write a ton of data to disk and does not check the filepath length BEFORE it tries to execute that operation, is called crap! You will get an F-- in any of todays test scenarious I know of. It's worst coding ever, esp. because it leaves an inconsistent bunch of data on the disk. And believe me I know what I am talking about.

Bye!
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Saxifraga wrote:Ok. I give up.
You don't seem to realise that, whether you are right or wrong, there is a way to say things, to address people and to comment in forums.

Reading your various forays here shows that you don't have much in the way of social graces. Or perhaps you don't care.

In any case, don't be surprised if people react negatively to your comments, even when what you say has an element of truth in it or is completely true, simply because you write with a tone that can be described as brash, tactless, and borderline inconsiderate.
 
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Saxifraga, I'm calling it a day on you and closing down your account. Enough is enough.

You will never change and I've given you infinitely more leeway and warnings than anyone else on this forum, ever... in the hopes you would change.

Can't do it any more. Your negativity is too much and your only trolling here.
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Francois wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:Ok. I give up.
You don't seem to realise that, whether you are right or wrong, there is a way to say things, to address people and to comment in forums.

Reading your various forays here shows that you don't have much in the way of social graces. Or perhaps you don't care.

In any case, don't be surprised if people react negatively to your comments, even when what you say has an element of truth in it or is completely true, simply because you write with a tone that can be described as brash, tactless, and borderline inconsiderate.

I couldn't agree more. I'm the first to complain if something doesn't work the way it should. But there are ways of putting your point across that don't come across as rude and ungrateful when people try to help you.

I've said this before and I'll keep saying it. The fact that anyone from Korg takes their time to come on to our forums and help us is a massive priveledge. It's not something we should take for granted and they won't stick around if people carry on badgering them.

Just try and think about how your words sound to other people before you hit the submit button.
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Pepperpotty wrote:I've said this before and I'll keep saying it. The fact that anyone from Korg takes their time to come on to our forums and help us is a massive priveledge. It's not something we should take for granted and they won't stick around if people carry on badgering them.
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No Kidding! Let us think back recently to a great new unexpected OS update... but wait there was a bug that got posted here. Dan very quickly checked and verified it was a bug... and within a couple days we had another update that fixed it. That is awesome!

Amazing how often the people that try and help here get kicked around, rude private and public messages. People should try and respect and understand what a good thing we have.
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