Serious update features need to complete Kronos X

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:58 am

What good is a sampler without a sound-source?

Last time i checked i didn't have access to the hardware drum-machine inventory of hardware production companies!

Just imagine if Korg said, "If you want a grand piano sample it for yourself." "If you want an EP do it yourself."
Going by the ROM in Kronos, evidently Korg certainly took care of all the TV, Film and Commercial boffins, and the stage performers, so what's your problem with Modern day EDM Pop producers Korg?? Do you think Dance-music producers are all using Reason or Live or Cubase? Man oh man, what a screwed-up world we live in. Workstation companies don't even know who the end-users are.
These dipsticks who use strings and EPs, i couldn't give a crap, GIVE ME SOME F__KING DECENT SYNTH PRESETS AND EDM DRUMKITS KORG! Raging phat detuned hoovers, synth stabs, plucks and hooks, plus Trance pads.

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:58 am

At least if Korg listen to sense then modern music producers will be part of their plans and it will be a happy world for us EDM producers. Clearly the ROM in Kronos has no consideration for EDM producers. Shame on you Korg. Hire some younger people to be on your sampling team, or go to LoopMasters and Wave Alchemy, they will take care of things for you. EDM! Hello? Ever heard of it Korg? It's a well-known worldwide genre currently ruling the charts, and has been for at least a decade.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:33 am

Can somebody ban this yokel now? I don't mind criticism or discussion but this is getting ridiculous.

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:30 pm

godparticle wrote:At least if Korg listen to sense then modern music producers will be part of their plans and it will be a happy world for us EDM producers. Clearly the ROM in Kronos has no consideration for EDM producers. Shame on you Korg. Hire some younger people to be on your sampling team, or go to LoopMasters and Wave Alchemy, they will take care of things for you. EDM! Hello? Ever heard of it Korg? It's a well-known worldwide genre currently ruling the charts, and has been for at least a decade.

Perhaps you could give us a link to one of your production pieces - Maybe we can decide if your music is as shite as your inane ramblings.

It seems to me that Sampling is such an integral part of EDM, and yet as a producer of said music you are incapable of creating, or at the very least, putting some time into creating unique and interesting sound bites into your music - given that there is a huge resource out there in terms of free samples or (now here is an idea) do it yourself.
I know of no professional producer, anywhere, in any genre of music, who would use ROM sounds (edited or not) exclusively in their productions.
What a boring listening experience we would have if all producers subscribed to your antiquated ROM philosophy.

PS - I'm voting "shite" regardless of what you come up with, due largely to the fact that I already know you have little imagination which will, undoubtedly, reflect in the stuff you produce.

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:58 pm

LZ wrote:There is nothing the Radias does that can't be done with AL-1.

Actually, I'd quibble with this a bit. A few of us synth heads have kept our Radias-es because there are a few little goodies it has, and seems to offer a slight variation of texture. In particular, I recall hard sync not giving me what I wanted in an AL-1 patch, but did on Radias, so god-p isn't completely out to lunch.

Of course what would really rock as an alternate synth is King KORG, but that's another story.

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:58 pm

"...so god-p isn't completely out to lunch"

On the upside, I imagine Genghis Khan's mother thought her wee boy was an OK guy at some point, so it is equally likely that god-p knows someone who believes he is a valid contributor to the gene pool - or this forum even.

Carbon Trader · Post by **Carbon Trader** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:10 am

er...I would still really wish for the Kronos to host third party VSTs so that I can then dump my laptop....

LZ · Post by LZ » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:40 am

synthguy wrote:
LZ wrote:There is nothing the Radias does that can't be done with AL-1.
Actually, I'd quibble with this a bit. A few of us synth heads have kept our Radias-es because there are a few little goodies it has, and seems to offer a slight variation of texture. In particular, I recall hard sync not giving me what I wanted in an AL-1 patch, but did on Radias, so god-p isn't completely out to lunch.

Of course what would really rock as an alternate synth is King KORG, but that's another story.

Well i cant speak definitively since i dont currently own a Radias. I've played, and thoroughly enjoyed it. THEORETICALLY, AL-1 should do anything Radias does. So far, it's worked for me....including hard sync, a la Let's Go (the cars)

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:23 pm

LZ wrote:THEORETICALLY, AL-1 should do anything Radias does. So far, it's worked for me....including hard sync, a la Let's Go (the cars)

Radias does have a couple of parameters that AL-1 doesn't, though what they do are very subtle and I sincerely doubt anyone would miss them. Don't ask me what they are because it's been ages since I've fired anything up - moved, car wreck, work killing me, etc.

AL-1 isn't perfect, it does have some warts like every synths does, real or virtual. It does do a TON of things though, and is quite the chameleon. I've done most of my synth patches on it, and it emulates ARP, Prophet and Oberheim really well, and a bit of Jupiter and Moog too. But the other two engines, Polysix and MS-20EX fill in some gaps and are much quicker to program. Plus the P6EX is also a great stand-in for a Prophet-5 or OB-X, layered and detuned a bit. Not to mention, they're easier on the system and offer great polyphony.

But those three VAs combined still don't do everything, which is why for synth duties, a King KORG or Arturia Origin is a wonderful dance partner. Both of them have fantastic filter models.

phly23 · Post by **phly23** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:33 pm

Dedicated octave soft switch as well please!!!

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:09 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that what with all the sound and drum sound libraries out there, you can pretty much get any, and I do mean any, sound onto and therefore out of the Kronos.

I don't use a computer DAW and I don't get the God-P's problem either.

Diego5150 · Post by **Diego5150** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:35 pm

jeremykeys wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that what with all the sound and drum sound libraries out there, you can pretty much get any, and I do mean any, sound onto and therefore out of the Kronos.

I don't use a computer DAW and I don't get the God-P's problem either.

You are so very correct Jeremy, any sound imaginable is with the Kronos and software like Omnisphere, Komplete etc.

He is just looking to start crap and discredit the Kronos. Too bad the Kronos does not have a troll remover!

godparticle · Post by **godparticle** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:36 pm

I'm not really a troll!
I just feel strongly about certain things in what could have been the 'perfect' workstation, and i didn't want to back-down about it until Korg addressed the issue.
It is much more preferable to have important sounds and features already inside a so-called top-of-the-range workstation; my quibble is that Korg gave priority (gigabytes of ram worth) to pianos and other mundane acoustic instruments, and clearly gave little consideration to EDM music. And thus it appears to me like Korg doesn't care about this very relevant and important modern day genre EDM, and thus i fail to see Korg's reasoning on the matter when clearly they expected us to roll-our-own.

It is quite possible that Korg might have picked-up several thousand more sales of the Kronos if they had made more of an effort to address the needs of EDM producers in the way of higher-quality EDM drumkits already onboard the kronos, and more synth-samples in the ROM catering to EDM producers, plus subsequent relevant presets of those samples connected to the EDM genre. Dig me? Whether you agree or not, this is how i feel about the matter.
Detuned Hoovers, phat synth-Plucks and Stabs, plus synth-Hooks and pulsating Trance pads. Why so little in the ROM?

If Korg claim it is easily achievable on our own, then i say at least get some in-house programmers to do this for us Korg, Kronos is supposed to be a top-tier world-class workstation, correct?

In the expansion sounds section at the Korg website(Karo expansions etc) available for Kronos, very few if any actually have phat synth sounds relevant to Hardhouse, Techno, Dubstep, Trance etc. This whole Kronos system seems utterly obsessed with acoustic style TV production and stage players? Get my drift?
Making my own sounds is not the point, in fact, that is the point, that's what my quibble is about, did i have to spell that out? Why did certain persons make such obvious suggestions to me?

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:07 am

godparticle wrote: Making my own sounds is not the point, in fact, that is the point, that's what my quibble is about, did i have to spell that out? Why did certain persons make such obvious suggestions to me?

Because you sir, are an affront to your chosen profession, for all the reasons detailed in this and your previous posts.
"Korg expect us to roll our own" - are you serious??.
Every manufacturer in history expected us to roll our own - Yamaha's DX7 came with 32 voices, now there are countless thousands - Yamaha didn't roll them, users did..
You expect young sound programmers to produce sounds for you to use in "your" productions? - again, are you serious?.
You have made it perfectly clear you are unwilling to put any effort into your work, you would rather use someone else's efforts to use in "your" work.
If you are a EDM producer of any substance, you will have a copy of Lennar Digital Sylenth in your system somewhere, go dig it out and download a whole bunch of other producers sounds to use in "your" productions.
Your claim that thousands of EDM producers would buy the Kronos if it were crammed full of preset sounds is ludicrous, the machine is capable of adding a universe of textures to EDM music, and enlightened producers would never, ever consider using a single machine in there productions.
The sad thing about all your posts is that you will never reach your full potential.
Perhaps, however, as you mature your mind will open to producing your own work, using machines best suited to your needs.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:27 am

Actually, I think everyone has different requests to improve the Kronos, or any other synth, or actually any other device, objects or articles (not to mention people).

My wish list would be completely different than yours. Blaming Korg is not the best way to get things done. You made your point, if many people make the same point, probably Korg will take it into account. But anyhow, how 'hard' your request is, it is just one voice out of thousands of Kronos owners with their wishes.

I will not repeat mine ... some of them I wrote already in the Wish List (where probably this thread should belong too, or at least the first post).

Btw ... I never heard of EDM. But I cannot believe you need all those request just for EDM music, otherwise all producers making EDM music would maybe have the same complaints. Or they use other gear and the Kronos is maybe less suitable for EDM music, or other EDM producers use a different approach and get along with the Korg successfully to make EDM music.

Also, most of your requests are valid, but every request cost money, either to create in hardware or software. It's up to Korg what to put in their next instrument.

Last not but least: I learned something today: EDM music, so thanks for that. I just listened to it, it's not really my style (but it's just an opinion). To each their own.

I hope you can find a way to produce the sound you want with the Kronos.