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jimknopf ,Your name was just borrowed , I have no intention to attack my customers that are always my best clients !
My meaning for your question is that some users have uninstalled already purchased libraries either as insufficient
after purchasing the right stuff nor because they run out of Ram space and have to choose of what to keep on board !

I never ignore debated user perspectives , that's why I participate in discussion , I just don't negotiate my
development price and usually this is my "discussion" tone , don't take it seriously .... :lol:
don't forget that English is not my native language !
After all , it's a free world , anyone can decide what is best for him ...

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If prices were more consistent with the global economic reality certainly I would buy several EX packages

I recognize the hard work of sound designers, but it is already difficult for you, here in Brazil is almost impossible for normal people acquire this material

I would like to leave here as a suggestion for the Korg creating promotional events where you can purchase EX with much better prices, if not I will keep myself creating my own stuff (not so bad after all)
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Simply let market forces prevail . If there is demand for the products at the price set , they will sell . If not they won't sell . And if there are comparable products at a competitive price , they will get the business . In my experience it is always the seller that has something to lose if the product does not sell because the price was wrong .

Buyers beware as they say in the uk.
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As worth said, if there is demand they will sell. Everyone's opinion of a price
is different, for someone 20$ is ok for someone 200$ is ok. back in 2004 to
2008 my Triton/PA Libraries cost 500-600 per Set and they were selling
like cakes, people used to make 1200$ transactions for 3 Sets, some people
used to pay as much as the synth it self for sounds. Now, the same amount
of Sounds and Material will not sell for even 50$. On the other hand it is our
right as developers to price them what we feel is right for us. Some will buy
some wont, i guess thats how life is. I want a Porsche too, i can not afford
one so i will not buy it...i can not question why the price it that much.
When we break our backs and lose our eyes staring on computers for 80
and 90 hours a week...i don't know...selling something for 20 bucks its
kinda disrespectful to our selves.
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Dear Library sellers,

You have to price it such a way to gain more volume sell and make profit.. selling at 10% of Kronos hardware synth price is bit unaffordable for many of us... many people dont hit the "buy" button after seeing the price tag.. :(

hope the message is taken positively from a sr. member..
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BasariStudios wrote:As worth said, if there is demand they will sell. Everyone's opinion of a price
is different, for someone 20$ is ok for someone 200$ is ok. back in 2004 to
2008 my Triton/PA Libraries cost 500-600 per Set and they were selling
like cakes, people used to make 1200$ transactions for 3 Sets, some people
used to pay as much as the synth it self for sounds. Now, the same amount
of Sounds and Material will not sell for even 50$. On the other hand it is our
right as developers to price them what we feel is right for us. Some will buy
some wont, i guess thats how life is. I want a Porsche too, i can not afford
one so i will not buy it...i can not question why the price it that much.
When we break our backs and lose our eyes staring on computers for 80
and 90 hours a week...i don't know...selling something for 20 bucks its
kinda disrespectful to our selves.
If you think it is disrespectful, so it be.. cant blame customers..

also pricing at 200++ tag isn't ridiculous? why not keep a standard pricing of around 100 and sell in volumes than running the shop without customers..

You guys are good in programming and fail in marketing...

as a serious korg user, I'd be happy to grab most of sample libraries if they are priced around $100 tag..

Sorry.. I dont intend to offend the hard work of all programmers..
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To what i read ( it was a few days back reading this thread )
nobody has suggested to sell anything for 50$ or even 20$.....please
And nobody here is AFAIK under the Impression that the hard work to bring up a good library would not be worth 200$.
I don´t get the answers made here from the Library selling guys.

the point here many times made is,
many of us potential customers complain about that we would lose the $ if we upgrade the Kronos to a newer or just different Model,
and many of us are under the impresssion, by the markets logic, that a cheaper selling price could increase sales numbers quite a bit, thus at the end of the day, generating more profit for the library makers.
win-win
but nobody can give you a guarantee for that......
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BasariStudios wrote:I want a Porsche too, i can not afford
one so i will not buy it...
That's the thing tough.. The libraries in question (and many kronos libraries) are not a porsche.
They're a 96 skoda with a porsche price tag.
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Danextgen wrote:
BasariStudios wrote:I want a Porsche too, i can not afford
one so i will not buy it...
That's the thing tough.. The libraries in question (and many kronos libraries) are not a porsche.
They're a 96 skoda with a porsche price tag.
well said...

genuinely some are good and most are just "money-oriented"
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It's all positive feedback . The sound designers however will only really pay attention from the lack of sales . So if you think the package they are offering is not good value for money the most powerful and persuasive feed back you can send to them is to keep your money in your pocket until the price changes more favourably . I guarantee they will adjust the price if they are not selling .

But if people are buying the product at this level and the sellers are making some profit , then this feedback is worthless . Keep your money in your pocket and be patient . Time is on your side....no businessman no matter how determined can continue on a path that works against their own interests . You are their target market . If you don't buy then to whom can they sell ?????
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worth wrote:It's all positive feedback . The sound designers however will only really pay attention from the lack of sales . So if you think the package they are offering is not good value for money the most powerful and persuasive feed back you can send to them is to keep your money in your pocket until the price changes more favourably . I guarantee they will adjust the price if they are not selling .

But if people are buying the product at this level and the sellers are making some profit , then this feedback is worthless . Keep your money in your pocket and be patient . Time is on your side....no businessman no matter how determined can continue on a path that works against their own interests . You are their target market . If you don't buy then to whom can they sell ?????
I have to say, I still get very grumpy when I buy a new board and suddenly realise that one of the stock sounds is absolutely bobbins and then I have to spend another £££ to get the sound I want.

If you spend thousands on a board, you shouldn't be expected to spend hundreds more to get more sounds, its getting like video games now, buy the game, then spend £££ to get the full experience.

Unfortunately in a world where money is king and everyone is out to back a pound or 2, if you spot an area where you can make some money, then you are going to do it.

That being said, consumers have power and if there is something you feel strongly about or don't like, then don't buy and the sellers quickly realise they don't have the correct product or the correct pricing point.

Cheers.
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worth wrote:It's all positive feedback . The sound designers however will only really pay attention from the lack of sales . So if you think the package they are offering is not good value for money the most powerful and persuasive feed back you can send to them is to keep your money in your pocket until the price changes more favourably . I guarantee they will adjust the price if they are not selling .

But if people are buying the product at this level and the sellers are making some profit , then this feedback is worthless . Keep your money in your pocket and be patient . Time is on your side....no businessman no matter how determined can continue on a path that works against their own interests . You are their target market . If you don't buy then to whom can they sell ?????
What you talk is like buying angry bird game for $1 and spend $500 for playing training. we are asking for a reasonable pricing so that the libraries can sell in volumes profiting the developers...

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All have been said correctly in this last page of topic !

Also an important thing that must be seriously considered is that there are Ram & Program slots limitations in
Kronos so every developer must design EXs due to save Ram resources and also offer a good arrangement of
his libraries proposals to fit in today's Kronos status and not just to produce 40 EXs ( with many similar products)
that will never fit in a Kronos of 2 Gb Ram the most !

This is another serious reason that I have grouped instruments , in order a full bundle of all can fit in a Kronos
with factory KSC preloaded , this was my initial target for personal use and has also become the commercial
target when I decided to distribute my EXs.

As last , about prices , If similar products tags in Korg's store that worth purchasing , wil drop then be sure that
I will also drop mine , so as "worth" said "let market forces prevail" ...
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jimiki wrote:
Danextgen wrote:
BasariStudios wrote:I want a Porsche too, i can not afford
one so i will not buy it...
That's the thing tough.. The libraries in question (and many kronos libraries) are not a porsche.
They're a 96 skoda with a porsche price tag.
well said...

genuinely some are good and most are just "money-oriented"
I agree with both of you. The price tag often says nothing at all about the quality of a library. And some free libraries have a quality far above some others offered at 100-200$ (which does not say good stuff should be for free, but just point to the fact that a price tag doesn't define quality).

The good thing is that we can test most of the libraries on our Kronos (and others have demo sounds online). So whenever we detect missing quality, or become aware of expensive mixed bags with 80% stuff beyond the sounds we really need/want, we can just move on.

I have a lot of respect for good work and am always ready to pay for it, whenever it suits my needs.
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As last , about prices , If similar products tags in Korg's store that worth purchasing , wil drop then be sure that
I will also drop mine , so as "worth" said "let market forces prevail" ...
The above statement makes me laugh. In the UK this kind of statement is called Price Fixing. Company A sells at once price, so why shouldn't I.
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