Assigning Portamento in a Combie

johnnydr · Post by **johnnydr** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:27 pm

I have a lead sound set up in a combie, with a program in slot 1 and another program in slot 2. I've assigned portamento rate to knob 8, but it only affects the program in slot 1. Can't seem to get portamento on any other slot than the first one. Both are set to global.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:03 am

1. Check the MIDI Filter page and make sure that portamento is enabled for the timbres.
2. Some programs have "fingered portamento" assigned, and as such, will only make portamento when you hold down a note and play another. Playing disconnected notes will never have portamento on these programs. If this is the case, you'll need to edit the underlying program.

johnnydr · Post by **johnnydr** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:17 pm

No must be something else Stephen, but I will keep fiddling!

johnnydr · Post by **johnnydr** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:29 pm

Ahhh, Sorted it out
Timbre parameter---OSC---Portamento

Roadman · Post by **Roadman** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:24 pm

I've had a similar issue, and can't get portomento to work in combies. Is the above edit something that can be done within the combie on each timbre? Or are you editing the original timbre and saving it down as a new timbre?

johnnydr · Post by **johnnydr** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:04 am

I believe so, I assigned portamento to the individual programs,then put them in the combie

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:05 am

Roadman wrote:I've had a similar issue, and can't get portomento to work in combies. Is the above edit something that can be done within the combie on each timbre? Or are you editing the original timbre and saving it down as a new timbre?

I think you meant editing the original program and saving it as a new program. But terminology aside, the answer is that you can generally apply portamento to *any* program that is capable of portamento in a combi without editing the underlying program. You need to:

1. Make sure the MIDI filter page checkbox for portamento is enabled (if you want to control it with a switch; otherwise doesn't matter).
2. On the OSC tab, dial in a portamento time (by default, it will be set to PRG probably). This is the part I forgot to mention above that johnnydr figured out.
3. Then, it comes down to whether or not the program is set to use regular portamento, or fingered portamento. For example, in an HD-1 program, this setting is on the Osc/Pitch > Pitch tab. This can't be modified inside a combi, so if it is set to fingered portamento and you want regular portamento, then in this case you'll have to edit the underlying program.
4. Note that some synthesizer engines do not support portamento, such as the SGX-1, EP-1, so it doesn't matter whether you edit them or not.

I think I got that right - Hope that helps!

kaptainkeyboard · Post by **kaptainkeyboard** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:15 pm

Try this to get Knob 8 working on Timbre (Slot) 2

Call up your Combi.
Press the “Control Surface” tab.
Press “Tone Adj” on the left hand side of the screen.
On the Right hand side of the screen you will see “Timbre > T01”
If it doesn’t say >T01, click on the arrow and make it so.
Look at Knob 8 and press the arrow key.
Note the parameter currently set to control Portamento - write it down if you are an old dude like me.
Select “Off” - Timbe 01 will no longer respond Knob 8.
Go back to “Timbre” and press the arrow key and select “T02”
Press Knob 8 arrow key and select the parameter you previously noted.
Press Rec/Write under the Sequencer section buttons and press “OK” to save your edit.
Note:- Make sure the “Tone Adj” button on the far left of the keyboard is lit when you save - it will be, but it’s best to make sure.

The above method is handy if you have a Drawbar Organ set up in a Combi and you want to be able to ride the drawbars in real time.
If your organ is set up in Timbre (slot) 5, simply proceed as above and select “Timbre . T05”. You will notice that the Tone Adjust parameters automatically set themselves up as a drawbar organ.
Save the Combi and you will have control of the organ in real time.

edit - Oops, just noticed you may want to have both sounds respond to the Portamento parameter - if so, keep the parameter active in T01.
I'm not at my keyboard right now so one of our guru guys may confirm if I'm talking nonsense...

Roadman · Post by **Roadman** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:10 pm

Hi, no, I did mean timbre? Within a combi, each programme in a slot is referred to as a timbre?

Roadman · Post by **Roadman** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:30 pm

Still struggling, the main programme/ timbre is a poly six bass sound, where is the portomento control on that at e programme level? Adjusting it in the combi has no effect

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:05 am

Roadman wrote:Hi, no, I did mean timbre? Within a combi, each programme in a slot is referred to as a timbre?

Yes and no - the slot is referred to as a timbre - but it references a program. You select a program inside each timbre. If you edit that underlying "thing", in Program Mode, you are editing a program, and saving a program - not editing a timbre and saving a timbre. Hope that helps.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:56 am

StephenKay wrote:
Roadman wrote:Hi, no, I did mean timbre? Within a combi, each programme in a slot is referred to as a timbre?
Yes and no - the slot is referred to as a timbre - but it references a program. You select a program inside each timbre. If you edit that underlying "thing", in Program Mode, you are editing a program, and saving a program - not editing a timbre and saving a timbre. Hope that helps.

"Slots" are used in Set Lists. "Timbres" are used in Combis.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:01 am

As far as I know, the decomposition is:

- Every program bank contains 128 programs
- Every combi bank contains 128 combis
- Each combi contains 16 timbres
- Each timbre reference to a program
- Every set list contains 128 set list slots
- A set list slot can 'refer' to a song, combi or program

You can see all this in a picture and with descriptional text at the PCG Tools manual (but this information is not specific for PCG Tools, it's just to explain how the contents of a Korg memory/PCG file is built.

See: http://pcgtools.mkspace.nl/Releases/Manual.pdf

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:29 pm

StephenKay wrote:
Roadman wrote:Hi, no, I did mean timbre? Within a combi, each programme in a slot is referred to as a timbre?
Yes and no - the slot is referred to as a timbre - but it references a program. You select a program inside each timbre. If you edit that underlying "thing", in Program Mode, you are editing a program, and saving a program - not editing a timbre and saving a timbre. Hope that helps.

"Slots" are used in Set Lists. "Timbres" are used in Combis.

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:40 pm

Roadman wrote:Still struggling, the main programme/ timbre is a poly six bass sound, where is the portomento control on that at e programme level? Adjusting it in the combi has no effect

Does the Polysix even support portamento? I thought that was one of the engines that didn't (because the original didn't). Like Stephen said, the underlying engine needs to support it in order for it to work.