If this was indeed an advertised feature then this is a total show stopper of a bug and I agree the keyboard should not have been allowed to leave the factory this way. Saving edits is definitely a HUGELY significant feature, for that not to work at all makes the keyboard virtually useless.
Nevertheless, disregarding the misrepresentation, I do feel that it's reasonable to expect a high tech piece of gear to have "some" bugs.
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GregC
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worth wrote:My friend Bacchus is being a little disingenuous with this post. I am a member of the other forum that he visits where this discussion came about after someone had purchased a keyboard and it failed to work as advertised. the truth of the conversation on the other website regarding bugs in hardware keyboards is not as has been reflected here.
The specific issue concerns the new Casio arranger keyboard whereby someone who purchased the keyboard as an arranger workstation and who had endorsed the product wholeheartedly after just a few hours of owning it ,suddenly discovered he was unable able to save any edits that he made to styles within the arranger to customise the board to himself. That meant that after he had spent hours editing styles and customising them and changing the effects and changing the volumes and changing the actual instruments and saving them, after all this work was done, nothingwas saved and everything reverted back to the default factory settings. This in effect meant that the workstation element of the arranger keyboard was dead in the water from day one. This was an obvious bug that should never have left the factory as it basically cripples the arranger keyboard for a huge number of users that customise their own styles and use use it for their own compositions .
No one has argued on the other forum that I belong to that keyboards as technically complex as these will be put out completely bug free. But in this instance the bug was particularly significant and after having shelled out over $1000 for this instrument, it is not unreasonable for purchaser to expect it's main features to work correctly. I don't know any workstation users that would be happy that the workstation couldn't save their work! . That might be a minor issue to Bacchus but for the people who actually are creative with their instrument, this is a serious Issue And as yet is still on resolved . It certainly is not whining !
I have posted this simply to add a little perspective on what the issue that Bacchus has brought here is really about and I'm not quite sure why he has represented a discussion on another form here in this manner .
By the way I don't have any dog in this fight. I don't own a Casio keyboard and never will and I'm a proud owner of the Korg PA1X arranger. I just don't like situations where another forum members genuine complaintof is being misrepresented here .
thats not a bug. thats an incomplete keyboard. Was this a ' one off' ?? Or is the entire factory run like this ?
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A quick skim of the elsewhere site, shows the original complainant, confirmed by another new owner, plus the MZ-X500's Beta tester gent (who toured with his MZ-X500), who adds that will be a "firmware update very soon."GregC wrote:worth wrote:My friend Bacchus is being a little disingenuous with this post. I am a member of the other forum that he visits where this discussion came about after someone had purchased a keyboard and it failed to work as advertised. the truth of the conversation on the other website regarding bugs in hardware keyboards is not as has been reflected here.
The specific issue concerns the new Casio arranger keyboard whereby someone who purchased the keyboard as an arranger workstation and who had endorsed the product wholeheartedly after just a few hours of owning it ,suddenly discovered he was unable able to save any edits that he made to styles within the arranger to customise the board to himself. That meant that after he had spent hours editing styles and customising them and changing the effects and changing the volumes and changing the actual instruments and saving them, after all this work was done, nothingwas saved and everything reverted back to the default factory settings. This in effect meant that the workstation element of the arranger keyboard was dead in the water from day one. This was an obvious bug that should never have left the factory as it basically cripples the arranger keyboard for a huge number of users that customise their own styles and use use it for their own compositions .
No one has argued on the other forum that I belong to that keyboards as technically complex as these will be put out completely bug free. But in this instance the bug was particularly significant and after having shelled out over $1000 for this instrument, it is not unreasonable for purchaser to expect it's main features to work correctly. I don't know any workstation users that would be happy that the workstation couldn't save their work! . That might be a minor issue to Bacchus but for the people who actually are creative with their instrument, this is a serious Issue And as yet is still on resolved . It certainly is not whining !
I have posted this simply to add a little perspective on what the issue that Bacchus has brought here is really about and I'm not quite sure why he has represented a discussion on another form here in this manner .
By the way I don't have any dog in this fight. I don't own a Casio keyboard and never will and I'm a proud owner of the Korg PA1X arranger. I just don't like situations where another forum members genuine complaintof is being misrepresented here .
thats not a bug. thats an incomplete keyboard. Was this a ' one off' ?? Or is the entire factory run like this ?
Please, no jokes at this early stage, thank-you.
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Happy Jack
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whoops double posted
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True...worth wrote:It seems this is a general bug and Casio are aware of it and no doubt seeking a fix as quick as they can . It seems the issue related to the mixer function in both the styles and sequencer
Anyway, this topic is not about having a glitch in the casio software, ..
Its about people expecting keyboards to be bugfree, which is near impossible in the current time... And which is not accepted by the majorrity of people that buy new instruments... And so every new key released will be branded as not trustworthy and buggy..
My advice, dont be an early adapter, if you use your keyboards for serious studio work or gigging..
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I agree. But there are bugs and then there are Bugs. Though software is fickle, the hardware synth makers use is very limited and thus the control environment is very good. Unlike with Windows or any program running on it. I would expect all keyboards that come out to be MOSTLY bug free and I would definitely rant if there were such a huge show stopper as not being able to save your edits. That's almost as fundamental as having actually working keys.
The problem will probably be solved the upcomming weekHappy Jack wrote:Seems like a major bug to me. Don't know about 'whining' but am sure not buying this keyboard, either, not until I see the fix.worth wrote:My friend Bacchus is being a little disingenuous with this post. I am a member of the other forum that he visits where this discussion came about after someone had purchased a keyboard and it failed to work as advertised. the truth of the conversation on the other website regarding bugs in hardware keyboards is not as has been reflected here.
The specific issue concerns the new Casio arranger keyboard whereby someone who purchased the keyboard as an arranger workstation and who had endorsed the product wholeheartedly after just a few hours of owning it ,suddenly discovered he was unable able to save any edits that he made to styles within the arranger to customise the board to himself. That meant that after he had spent hours editing styles and customising them and changing the effects and changing the volumes and changing the actual instruments and saving them, after all this work was done, nothingwas saved and everything reverted back to the default factory settings. This in effect meant that the workstation element of the arranger keyboard was dead in the water from day one. This was an obvious bug that should never have left the factory as it basically cripples the arranger keyboard for a huge number of users that customise their own styles and use use it for their own compositions .
No one has argued on the other forum that I belong to that keyboards as technically complex as these will be put out completely bug free. But in this instance the bug was particularly significant and after having shelled out over $1000 for this instrument, it is not unreasonable for purchaser to expect it's main features to work correctly. I don't know any workstation users that would be happy that the workstation couldn't save their work! . That might be a minor issue to Bacchus but for the people who actually are creative with their instrument, this is a serious Issue And as yet is still on resolved . It certainly is not whining !
I have posted this simply to add a little perspective on what the issue that Bacchus has brought here is really about and I'm not quite sure why he has represented a discussion on another form here in this manner .
By the way I don't have any dog in this fight. I don't own a Casio keyboard and never will and I'm a proud owner of the Korg PA1X arranger. I just don't like situations where another forum members genuine complaintof is being misrepresented here .
No point in trumpeting its capability to import Yamaha styles if you can't save your work?
The whole point is that no matter what keyboard you buy they all come with small or little bugs at release..
So if you rely on a new keyboard, regarless what brand, stay away for the first few months after release..
Thats the whole point of this whole discussion. Its software and it will get patched. And it happens to all brands all over the place with every new keyboard they create.. Have you visited the Pa4x forum lately? Or the Ketron SD7 forums? Or the Roland JD-XA forums? OR what ever other digital keyboard released over the last year...
Just wayt and see how everyone will jump over the montage with the first little bug they discover.