Reached 15048 Samples

[Xx_Joey_xX]

Aripearlmusic


95% of my styles are USER styles. I gave many different genres and styles that i cover. Most of the percussion sounds on the 4x samples are useless to me. Even the drums that korg has I hardly use i mostly use Roland, Boss Samples. I mainly use the 4x as a midi controller/sampler.

them limiting the number of samples i use is really annoying !

[Aripearlmusic]

All of my styles in my set are user styles using just the bass, and pads from the keyboard and occasionally stock EPs and or guitars. The drums, percussion, brass, synths, strings, and most of the guitars i use are entirely sampled and yet i still don't have a single loop or sample that's over 5 seconds on the keyboard. I have about 600 sounds and well over 50 kits and still have room on the sample count whenever i need it even with 6-8 layer kits and pianos with 5 stereo layers and the full 88 key range on each. At the end of the day it boils down to less is more. Id rather use the same 2 percussion kits for 100s of styles instead of time slicing slight variations of the same 15-20 percussion instruments. Percussion ensembles are no exception to that. You can sample the stacks as 1 sample instead of each layer or sample the multitrack to make one kit to make a wide variety of styles. I have 3 rolands (VA76, JV1080, XV5080) and a DX7IIFD which were legends in their time but don't compare to todays tech especially VSTi's and the real instruments

[siebenhirter]

.. I find that many of the people that complain as far as a sample limit are not familiar with the potential of sound mode ..

If one prefer to use midi grooves I think he will not deal with or think about sound mode features.

This discussion we already had and although I am still of your opinion, it should be supported the demand to expand the number of samples, so styles with MIDI-Grooves does not remain so restricted.

I think the question "Do we really need audio drums?" (http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthrea ... s/421388/2) is similar as "Do we really need arranger keyboards with MP3?" - different opinions and working methods collide there.

If one believe that there subtile nuances and a groove of a style with sampled drums can not fully capture, also should consider and admit, that also in audio drums with many measures the drums just loop and repeats itselves - and using Midi-grooves with sliced samples is triggering each sample separately and is no real audio.

Most important is that Pa-Keyboards offer both choices.

If using styles of Pa-keyboards with midi grooves it is understandable that extension of the limited number of samples is complained.

However, it should also be accepted if others have absolutely no interest in audio drums- maybe due to their experience with styles - and rather complain extensions or re-implementation of missing Style-Players functions, to get styles so controllable in real time - not only over the groove - as hardly seems to be realized with loops.

[Korghelper]

I think the question should be ‘Why NOT more samples’?

I really don’t want to get into an argument with anyone about loop use or not. It’s MY decision how to use my arranger. If I want to use sliced loops, so be it.

But I’d sure like a reason from Korg about why the simple housekeeping tools for sample identification are so restrictive. Not a bunch of excuses from people that don’t know the real reason, or half baked workarounds or preferences in different workflow.

If there’s a hardware limit, Korg, just tell us. No harm, no foul.

[Asena]

I,m a Sampler GUY, Since AKAI S series, So for me, YES it,s realy important that i can use lot of samples,

It does no matter if i wanna use them in Slice or In User instruments, More ram like now, It,s nothing if i cant use them!
If you like to make a great sound on KORG, you must have multi layer Round Robin etc.
So for me, YES PLS KORG.
If its the limitation, than just tell us so we know it.

[Korghelper]

Here’s another good reason or two for more sample numbers that can be applied to even non loop users...

An 8 velocity level 61 note drum and percussion kit. Easy enough to import from a good drum and percussion VSTi these days. Forget round robins, just 8 samples per note.

488 stereo samples for ONE kit.

An 88 note piano library with eight velocity levels, with both sustain up and sustain down samples (forget about resonance samples for now!). Once again, fairly easily imported from a VSTi (remember, from a library you have purchased and for your own personal use!).

1408 stereo samples.

All of a sudden, that 15,000 or so limit is looking a little cramped.

[korg1]

I would bet that it's not that hard for Korg to alter the sample limitation,or give more free locations,
but for some reason they don't want to do it....
or they really don't read the comments here,or even they don't go to work anymore.

All Europe is in a lockdown state right now,
pa4x will be just history when everything will come to normal again,
and that is a shame...

[BR]

... More ram like now, It,s nothing if i cant use them!
...

Agreed.
I am in the same boat. I have 1.5 GB of RAM memory but not enough user slots.
I don't see any difference between 400MB and 1.5GB of RAM if there is not enough user slots (whatever User Sound slots or DK User slots).

[korg1]

Ok....Nautilus new workstation replacment to Kronos is out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDs5WM ... e=youtu.be
Hope we will have news for pa4x or a newer model soon

[Korghelper]

Korg have upped the sample number limit in the past without a radical hardware upgrade, haven’t they?

Maybe some of you with better memories can help me out here, but what’s the history of the sample section through the last couple of models?

[Bill1983]

~800000 kB ÷ 15048 samples = ~ 53kB for one sample. What kind samples You use?

One(1) gigabyte is reserved for the OS. OSNext gave us 3 gigabytes. What more do you want from a technology more than a decade old. If you were running a windows(x32) system, you'd have the same limitation. If it's that important either buy a Nautilus or a very hot PC and Audio Interface. Not to mention $500 for a decent DAW and thousands or tens of thousands of dollars for cutting edge plugins.

[Korghelper]

Bill, you’re not getting it. No one is complaining about the amount of RAM. What we are complaining about is how few samples are allowed to use that RAM.

For those that use timesliced loops (so they can be slowed down or sped up as needed) you tend to slice a loop on every single hit. So, if you read my earlier post, that can be close to 1000 samples for ONE style. Double that if you want separate loops for drums and percussion.

All of a sudden, 15,000 samples doesn’t really cut it.

Computer systems have never had a limit to the number of samples. I was using REX sliced loops in the mid 90’s with no limit on samples. Yes, my computer only had 4GB RAM back then (!) but I could use it any way I wanted. It’s not a technology issue. It’s an OS issue...

[Asena]

I don,t undarstand WHY THE HECK it,s limited!

Any one From KORG can explain,PAOLO? I don,t think its about the technology in PA 4 X!
I think they can make it on OS update!

[Xx_Joey_xX]

All I got from KORG USA was the following

"We did forward your request to our development team for consideration"

It's a silly thing that needs to be fixed !

[Korghelper]

I read that the new Nautilus’s sampler section has the same 15,000 or so limit.

Not very encouraging...