Transpose within setlist question

Abelaguilar · Post by **Abelaguilar** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:25 am

Wondering if it's possible to have various combis and programs transposed to different locations within a set list. .

For example in slot 1 can I have a combi transposed to +3 and in slot 2 of my set list have another combi transposed to -1?

Thanks

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:12 am

Abelaguilar wrote:Wondering if it's possible to have various combis and programs transposed to different locations within a set list. .

For example in slot 1 can I have a combi transposed to +3 and in slot 2 of my set list have another combi transposed to -1?

Thanks

No I cannot see a parameter in the parameter guide in the set list mode to transpose a set list slot. I guess the alternative way is to resave the combi with transposed settings and refer to that transposed combi in the set list.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:22 pm

Abelaguilar wrote:Wondering if it's possible to have various combis and programs transposed to different locations within a set list. .

For example in slot 1 can I have a combi transposed to +3 and in slot 2 of my set list have another combi transposed to -1?

Thanks

I agree that it would be nice. It's already on my wish-list.

Abelaguilar · Post by **Abelaguilar** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:05 pm

Thanks for the reply.

Oboemd · Post by **Oboemd** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:03 pm

On the Oasys, I use Seq. Simply set up blank seq with prg, transpositions, splits whatever and name it.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:31 pm

Cant you use tone adjust for this? instead of tuning by octaves cant you do semi-tones?

andrewt · Post by **andrewt** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:37 am

I was searching for a way to do this and based on the many threads I read, there isn't. Is this something Korg could do in the next OS update? Put my vote in!

I was playing in a pit orchestra for a musical over the weekend and the director told us in advance that some songs were going to be transposed for a specific singer. We ran through the song with him before the opening show, and of course they decided to play it in a brand new key.

I was playing cello so my part was easy enough to transpose in my head, but I have a theatre gig on keyboard coming up this summer and I'm thinking about what I would do. Probably just put a transposed version of the program in the set list, but doing it right from the set list would be much better!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:01 am

I sometimes still can't believe that crap goes on at the commercial production level. I've had it a bunch of times too and I guess you really can only do it with professionals, but even then it's stressful and you have to think quickly. Anytime it happens to me I make a point of explaining it's unnecessary to hear this only just before the gig. I like to prepare well and play well. Now my performance is (possibly) compromised because the singer or director couldn't be bothered to give a heads up a week before. Singers are so lazy.
/rant
I hear you man, hope it goes better this summer!

A setlist transposition thingy would be great BUT please only with some sort of visual feedback too! Like a small +2 in the top right corner of the slot or something. I hate using transpose but I hate it even more when I forget I was using it!

simur · Post by **simur** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:33 am

Another aspect to consider in a last minute key change scenario is the split zones.

Many skilled musicians ( not me

)) can play on the fly in the new key without the need of keyboard transpose. I sometimes prefer to use an iPad to read chords and song structure and I transpose chords on screen instead of transposing the keyboard, but if you have complex Combis with many split zone it is really a problem ... because you may not have the right zone in the new key you are playing!

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:55 pm

If you're not using KARMA for anything else in a particular combi, you can use this KARMA trick:

Let's say you've got a combi with several timbres layered on the global channel, as an example.

Note: if you're using a Combi that had KARMA assigned to do something else, you can initialize all modules first, using the KARMA Page Menu Command "Initialize KARMA Module", with both checkboxes on, and execute it 4 times (once for each Module) - and that should clear all KARMA settings from the Combi.

- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones. Set KARMA Module A to Input and Output on the Global Channel.
- By default, Module A should be set to GE 0000 on the KARMA page. Make sure that the Run checkbox is on for Module A.
- Turn KARMA On and verify that it plays the default up/down arapeggio on all of the timbres.
- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones, and set the Key Zone for Module A to be 0/0 (both top and bottom set to C -1). This means there is basically no key zone input to the module.
- Turn on the "Thru Out Zone" checkbox. Play the keyboard, and even with KARMA On, you should just get the notes of the keyboard being passed straight thru.
- However, note that there is Transpose field next to the Thru Out Zone checkbox.
- Go to page 7-6 Perf RTP. Assign the first row to Key Zones Group, and select the "Transpose Out Thru" parameter. The other fields get filled in with -36/+36/0, which you can leave.
- In the "Assign" popup, select Slider 1.
- (optional) - Go to 7-9 Name/Note Map, and give Slider 1 in the Master Layer the Name "337: Note Transpose".
- Go to page 0-6 KARMA GE. Here you will see that Slider 1 says "Note Transpose". With it set to 64, the transpose will be 0 (watch the KARMA Value display portion).

Now, you can change the transpose of the entire combi, by semitones, using Slider 1 with the Control Surface set to KARMA/RT. You can store it at 0 in one scene, and store it at some other value (+3, -1) in other scenes. Also, this does not mess with any split zones. Just play in your normal key, and it comes out in another key.

You can also use this for Octave Up/Down, without affecting any split zones.

Rather than have two copies of the combi in two set list slots with different transpose values (not yet possible), you can use just one Combi and change scenes to get different transpose values.

If you had other timbres on other channels, you could use other KARMA Modules set up in the same way to manage them.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:23 am

ed_f · Post by **ed_f** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:10 am

StephenKay wrote:If you're not using KARMA for anything else in a particular combi, you can use this KARMA trick:

Let's say you've got a combi with several timbres layered on the global channel, as an example.

Note: if you're using a Combi that had KARMA assigned to do something else, you can initialize all modules first, using the KARMA Page Menu Command "Initialize KARMA Module", with both checkboxes on, and execute it 4 times (once for each Module) - and that should clear all KARMA settings from the Combi.

- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones. Set KARMA Module A to Input and Output on the Global Channel.
- By default, Module A should be set to GE 0000 on the KARMA page. Make sure that the Run checkbox is on for Module A.
- Turn KARMA On and verify that it plays the default up/down arapeggio on all of the timbres.
- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones, and set the Key Zone for Module A to be 0/0 (both top and bottom set to C -1). This means there is basically no key zone input to the module.
- Turn on the "Thru Out Zone" checkbox. Play the keyboard, and even with KARMA On, you should just get the notes of the keyboard being passed straight thru.
- However, note that there is Transpose field next to the Thru Out Zone checkbox.
- Go to page 7-6 Perf RTP. Assign the first row to Key Zones Group, and select the "Transpose Out Thru" parameter. The other fields get filled in with -36/+36/0, which you can leave.
- In the "Assign" popup, select Slider 1.
- (optional) - Go to 7-9 Name/Note Map, and give Slider 1 in the Master Layer the Name "337: Note Transpose".
- Go to page 0-6 KARMA GE. Here you will see that Slider 1 says "Note Transpose". With it set to 64, the transpose will be 0 (watch the KARMA Value display portion).

Now, you can change the transpose of the entire combi, by semitones, using Slider 1 with the Control Surface set to KARMA/RT. You can store it at 0 in one scene, and store it at some other value (+3, -1) in other scenes. Also, this does not mess with any split zones. Just play in your normal key, and it comes out in another key.

You can also use this for Octave Up/Down, without affecting any split zones.

Rather than have two copies of the combi in two set list slots with different transpose values (not yet possible), you can use just one Combi and change scenes to get different transpose values.

If you had other timbres on other channels, you could use other KARMA Modules set up in the same way to manage them.

++1 I think this is really important since many of the threads I see don't have a lot of other KARMA going on just need the transpose. Very nice Stephen!

phenaste · Post by **phenaste** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:47 am

If you're not using KARMA for anything else in a particular combi, you can use this KARMA trick:

Let's say you've got a combi with several timbres layered on the global channel, as an example.

Note: if you're using a Combi that had KARMA assigned to do something else, you can initialize all modules first, using the KARMA Page Menu Command "Initialize KARMA Module", with both checkboxes on, and execute it 4 times (once for each Module) - and that should clear all KARMA settings from the Combi.

- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones. Set KARMA Module A to Input and Output on the Global Channel.
- By default, Module A should be set to GE 0000 on the KARMA page. Make sure that the Run checkbox is on for Module A.
- Turn KARMA On and verify that it plays the default up/down arapeggio on all of the timbres.
- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones, and set the Key Zone for Module A to be 0/0 (both top and bottom set to C -1). This means there is basically no key zone input to the module.
- Turn on the "Thru Out Zone" checkbox. Play the keyboard, and even with KARMA On, you should just get the notes of the keyboard being passed straight thru.
- However, note that there is Transpose field next to the Thru Out Zone checkbox.
- Go to page 7-6 Perf RTP. Assign the first row to Key Zones Group, and select the "Transpose Out Thru" parameter. The other fields get filled in with -36/+36/0, which you can leave.
- In the "Assign" popup, select Slider 1.
- (optional) - Go to 7-9 Name/Note Map, and give Slider 1 in the Master Layer the Name "337: Note Transpose".
- Go to page 0-6 KARMA GE. Here you will see that Slider 1 says "Note Transpose". With it set to 64, the transpose will be 0 (watch the KARMA Value display portion).

Now, you can change the transpose of the entire combi, by semitones, using Slider 1 with the Control Surface set to KARMA/RT. You can store it at 0 in one scene, and store it at some other value (+3, -1) in other scenes. Also, this does not mess with any split zones. Just play in your normal key, and it comes out in another key.

You can also use this for Octave Up/Down, without affecting any split zones.

Rather than have two copies of the combi in two set list slots with different transpose values (not yet possible), you can use just one Combi and change scenes to get different transpose values.

If you had other timbres on other channels, you could use other KARMA Modules set up in the same way to manage them.

KARMA is really a great toolbox !!
+1 to the tips & tricks list

Thanks Stephen, you're the master !

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:05 am

phenaste wrote:KARMA is really a great toolbox !!
+1 to the tips & tricks list

Thanks Stephen, you're the master !

Thanks, you're welcome.

BTW, I just wanted to add that this should work in Program Mode as well.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:07 pm

danatkorg wrote:
Abelaguilar wrote:Wondering if it's possible to have various combis and programs transposed to different locations within a set list. .

For example in slot 1 can I have a combi transposed to +3 and in slot 2 of my set list have another combi transposed to -1?

Thanks
I agree that it would be nice. It's already on my wish-list.

Please make it than for ALL timbres in a combi (not only the global channel), because many people use 2 keyboards and Kronos as Master. Except maybe for the drum track which should not be transposed.

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