can M3 combi"towards the sun" be converted to kron

jemkeys25 · Post by **jemkeys25** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:29 am

just wondering if m3 combi "towards the sun"can be converted for kronos, with all the same karma settings and ge's, its my favorite combi from the M3.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:41 am

I'm pretty sure yes... fairly easily. All the progs are there and the GE's are also there. Should be able to get it pretty close with a little effort.

jemkeys25 · Post by **jemkeys25** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:33 pm

no, the ge's aren't in the kronos, can anyone with an m3 post the program, I would really appreciate it.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:29 am

jemkeys25 wrote:no, the ge's aren't in the kronos, can anyone with an m3 post the program, I would really appreciate it.

i recall an excellent Stephen Kay video demo of that at his Karma lab

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:00 am

I would have thought that the GE's would be the same since it's the same version of KARMA but obviously not.

In any case this is a long shot but give this a try. I looked up the names of the GE from the M3 in the Kronos Voice Name List and found the following matching names. I don't have a Kronos yet so I can't verify that they are the same but it's worth a try.

Module A - Synco Pop (M3=1777 ... Kronos = 75)
Module B - WaveSeq 1 (M3=2043 ... Kronos=2002)
Module C - Back Beat Bass (M3=1066 ... Kromos=1059)
Module D - Ethereal Twinklings (M3=2024 ... Kronos=1992)

Good luck with the rest of the parameters.

Lou · Post by **Lou** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:02 am

All the programs and GEs are half the battle.
It's the module assignments per each GE of 8 scenes and 5 layers..
If you can get that info, I guess it would be doable.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:41 am

jemkeys25 wrote:no, the ge's aren't in the kronos, can anyone with an m3 post the program, I would really appreciate it.

I'm pretty sure there's a post where Stephen said all the stock M3 GE's are in the Kronos. I have no idea for certain, but I seem to recall him stating that on a post someplace.

-Mc

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:08 am

There are several issues here, with converting that particular combi (or any M3 combi):
1. The GE list in the Kronos is different (slightly) from M3. Additional GEs were added, and the list was resorted. So Bald Eagle is correct. Those same GEs exist, in a different location.
2. "Towards the Sun" is a fantastic, evocative combi from the M3 done by myself and veteran Karma-Lab programmer Paul Osborn.
3. Combi A000 "Era of Kronos" is a redone version of "Towards the Sun". They asked me to convert that M3 combi to Kronos. It's not easy, but I did it. They then took it, renamed it, and various other programmers modified it. So it ended up turning into something quite different.
4. Porting a combi from M3 to Kronos is very difficult, although it can be done...but I don't really have a set of instructions for you. A lot of what I do to convert these things requires proprietary software written by myself, to accomplish a specific task at hand.

gjvti · Post by **gjvti** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:24 am

StephenKay wrote:...2. "Towards the Sun" is a fantastic, evocative combi from the M3 done by myself and veteran KARMA programmer Paul Osborn.....

Thanks, Stephen! That is really a great combi. I adapted it for my needs and it is my favourite of modified presets. Sad that we have to rebuild on Kronos everything from scratch.

HardSync · Post by **HardSync** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:58 am

StephenKay wrote: 2. "Towards the Sun" is a fantastic, evocative combi from the M3 done by myself and veteran Karma-Lab programmer Paul Osborn.

Well, this explains why that combi is particularly awesome. I really didn't know this before, or that Paul was involved with Karma-Lab. I remember very well the outstanding performances Paul programmed for the Wavestation -- those were some of the best banks ever released for that synth. Good to see he's working with you, Stephen.

cello · Post by **cello** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:02 am

HardSync wrote:
StephenKay wrote: 2. "Towards the Sun" is a fantastic, evocative combi from the M3 done by myself and veteran Karma-Lab programmer Paul Osborn.
I remember very well the outstanding performances Paul programmed for the Wavestation -- those were some of the best banks ever released for that synth. Good to see he's working with you, Stephen.

+1! Those two dreamwave volumes were fantastic and I still use them today.

orpheus2006 · Post by **orpheus2006** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:52 pm

StephenKay wrote:They then took it, renamed it, and various forces modified it.

A camel is a horse designed by committee.

cello · Post by **cello** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:42 pm

orpheus2006 wrote:
StephenKay wrote:They then took it, renamed it, and various forces modified it.
A camel is a horse designed by committee.

LOL - reminds of this...

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:42 pm

I know i can do it, using KM3 and also the Kronos Software when it comes
out but what for? I would probably come VERY close to original if not 100%
but again what for? It would take me DAYS to do that.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:50 pm

Maybe it's a bit strange to write, but why would you want an exact 100% copy? Maybe for old music, but why not selecting better programs available or possible with the Kronos? Except for some time needing to find better ones.