Demo of C-68 Oboe & Orchestra

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:32 pm

I'm back with another version of Amazing Grace. This time with Be Thou My Vision. This demo uses C-68, Oboe and Orchestra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qGSbvI6oUQ

Hope you enjoy!

Gargamel314 · Post by **Gargamel314** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:37 pm

... deceptive cadence!

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:54 pm

To be more realistic the vibrato should not be so deep and it should come in sooner and less abruptly (cf. 0:30 - 0:36).

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:16 pm

EXer wrote:To be more realistic the vibrato should not be so deep and it should come in sooner and less abruptly (cf. 0:30 - 0:36).

I need to adjust my aftertouch sensitivity. I also need to edit the oboe patch so that it doesn't respond to AT with vibrato. I was actually going for a volume swell in the strings with AT.

vstkeys · Post by **vstkeys** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:23 pm

It sounds cruel, gives me listening fatigue.
. The oboe is one of the most expressive instrument of the orchestra, even libraries with gigabites of samples can strugle on this one. I the intention is to use this patch on a recording, my opnion is .....don't do it. No amount of aftertouch or patch editing will make it sound like the real thing , Unless you don't know how the real thing sounds like or the intention is not to sound like the real instrument.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:34 pm

vstkeys wrote:It sounds cruel, gives me listening fatigue.
. The oboe is one of the most expressive instrument of the orchestra, even libraries with gigabites of samples can strugle on this one. I the intention is to use this patch on a recording, my opnion is .....don't do it. No amount of aftertouch or patch editing will make it sound like the real thing , Unless you don't know how the real thing sounds like or the intention is not to sound like the real instrument.

I don't know if I should react but I never would have imagined it is one of the most expressive instruments. I mean, for I violin I can imagine, the way of using the bow, the speed/direction/strength of hitting the strings etc. But for a oboe it's a matter of how you blow and what holes are covered ... Of course how you blow can be on many different ways and I have to be honest, I only have heard an oboe about 10 times in real live orchestra(s).

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:07 pm

It's a dual reed instrument. Lip tension and tongue movement makes a huge difference.

cello · Post by **cello** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:13 pm

SanderXpander wrote:It's a dual reed instrument. Lip tension and tongue movement makes a huge difference.

Embouchure.

I don't think the oboe is the most expressive instrument in an orchestra - but it is hard to emulate successfully; might have a go at it myself later tonight though.

Cello wins the most expressive instrument contest for me - but of course, I'm just a little biased...

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:16 pm

SanderXpander wrote:It's a dual reed instrument. Lip tension and tongue movement makes a huge difference.

Thanks, guess I learned something today.

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:39 pm

As the father of an oboe player, himself a fine oboists who studied with an excellent oboist, I know first hand what it takes to make a quality performance. With the investment of years in practice and thousands of dollars in an instrument, let alone hundreds on reeds, the oboe is a cruel mistress.

If a multi-purpose instrument like the Kronos could replace a real professional Oboe, it would be a crime.

However, this patch sounds nice, the combo works well. I would rather hear a performance on this patch than a "mediocre" real oboe.

When I played this for an offertory at church a few weeks ago, the congregation was spellbound. For the casual listener, who wouldn't know an oboe from an electric guitar, they were able to enjoy the timbre without thinking about what they weren't hearing.

I enjoyed playing it because I was able to combine some nice timbres. I thought the ostinato for Grace made a nice contrast to the open 5ths of Vision. I hoped my listeners here might enjoy a slightly different take on well known tunes. Sorry for causing fatigue.

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:10 pm

vstkeys wrote:The oboe is one of the most expressive instrument of the orchestra

"One of" is appropriate . I would say "the most expressive of the woodwinds" if the English horn didn't exist

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:13 pm

EXer wrote:
vstkeys wrote:The oboe is one of the most expressive instrument of the orchestra
"One of" is appropriate . I would say "the most expressive of the woodwinds" if the English horn didn't exist

Maybe time for a poll about the most expressive instrument?
I vote for synth

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:14 pm

Dan,

Thanks for the contribution. I have to say that in this case, I think the Kronos is holding you back as those sounds are some of the weakest areas of the Kronos. Nevertheless, I can imagine that in a live church setting, it could sound quite nice.

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:59 pm

[quote="EXer"][quote="vstkeys"]The oboe is one of the most expressive instrument of the orchestra[/quote]
"One of" is appropriate . I would say "the most expressive of the woodwinds" if the English horn didn't exist [img]http://www.lrpresse.fr/trains/images/smilies/ange3.gif[/img][/quote]

Since the English horn is really just a larger oboe, I'd say they're pretty even...

cello · Post by **cello** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:07 pm

Better known as Cor Anglais

Have always found that curious - a French Horn is named in English and an English Horn is named in French; go figure!

Okay - this is just for fun - here's a quick Amazing Grace with oboe and more conventional arrangement (don't have time to be as clever as danmusician who produced a very effective ostinato).

Is this a good oboe - or a bad one?

http://soundcloud.com/ngowans/oboe-test

Edited to say to danmusician - just my view, but with a talented oboist son like yours, I'd get him to play (nice father and son duo) - no keyboard will be as good as him!