What are Chances of Korg upgrading Sequencer in KRONOS ?

robertkoa · Post by **robertkoa** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:06 pm

New here and don't own a Kronos- but possible.

I would really like it if it had one of the more powerful Sequencers as most agree it needs

I used to sequence in around 2000 with a Roland XP-60, an ASR 10, and, and a Mophatt Turbo, then strip the tracks individually into an Alesis Masterlink and transfer them off high res.CDs into a Pro Studio etc.

Don't have that stuff anymore except the Mophatt- the XP60 was a very powerful, versatile sequencer provided that only 16 midi channels were needed.

I think it's a bit odd to take 4 steps forward in Sampling and Synthesis and 2 steps back for sequencing.

So what's the chances that the Kronos sequencer would be upgraded with a new O.S.?

IF there was a sequencer update that there was a small fee to cover the programmer's time and make it profitable for Korg- would you pay the $40.to $100. price for the upgrade and would Korg be more likely to do it as a paid option in your opinion?

" Everyone who is serious will have a computer for serious sequencing anyway so the advanced features are not needed. "

" Computers are why Music in general is SO much" better " now than in the 80s and 90s and you just need to use them for sequencing- get used to it."

Those kind of answers aside - what are the chances of Korg actually doing some upgrades , maybe announcing at Winter Namm ?

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:18 pm

May I ask what's missing in the sequencer?

Cpilot · Post by **Cpilot** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:23 pm

No piano roll for a start.

Bryan

cello · Post by **cello** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:27 pm

I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

The Kronos has the same seq as the OASYS with the exception of one thing - the Kronos has a higher resolution.

The M3 technically has a better (ie more functional) seq than the Kronos; has piano roll for example.

Any plans Korg may have will be completely sidelined at the moment given the OS1.5/keybed issues. And they've still to release the Kronos editor.

So if a new seq is coming for the Kronos, it's going to be a very a long time in coming. In fact, it's much more likely (I think) that Kronos 2 will have an improved seq!

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:39 pm

Korg are currently working on adding Piano Roll Edit and Track View Edit to the sequencer.

And they are also working on adding Touch View Edit to the GUI.

That's why the delivery of OS 1.5 is delayed.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:42 pm

Dniss wrote:May I ask what's missing in the sequencer?

Based on that statement I take it you've never used a decent Hardware sequencer and guess you simply utilise Software for that purpose..

How Long do you have??

I could fill up a forum in itself telling you what Korg have ommitted(or rather failed to understand or include the needs of what a Hardware sequencer power users environment should entail) most basic functions of which have been lacking from or failed to evolve on from their line of workstation sequencers since the Trinity days,even the Cue list from the Triton they for some reason thought it wasn't important anymore and since dropped it from the Oasys???

Check out the Akai MPC line or Roland MV,or even the Fantom G which wipes the floor with Kronos's sequencer even if some view it as not finished

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:57 pm

Kontrol49 wrote:Based on that statement I take it you've never used a decent Hardware sequencer and guess you simply utilise Software for that purpose..

You're absolutely right. Not even software, well hardly.

Just curious because I have big plans for the Kronos sequencer and I want to know up front if I will encounter any unforeseen difficulties.

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:21 pm

Dniss wrote:
Kontrol49 wrote:Based on that statement I take it you've never used a decent Hardware sequencer and guess you simply utilise Software for that purpose..
You're absolutely right. Not even software, well hardly.

Just curious because I have big plans for the Kronos sequencer and I want to know up front if I will encounter any unforeseen difficulties.

Depends on your needs....

Plenty of people use them,I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who sequences/produces to a great extent on them for anything more than demos or sketches...
If I had simply one synth(Kronos or Oasys)then perhaps could maybe get by with what features they have for sequencing/Audio and nothing more,when your including external hardware into the equasion and a lot at that they soon become pretty limited.

16 Midi tracks in the sequencer and having to sacrifice that between internal and external Midi tracks is poor in this day and age,plus I'm fully converted to MPC/MV environments so its going to take a huge overhaul of the Kronos sequencer or any other future workstation from Korg to grab my attention,which I doubt Korg will ever do,they need to start looking what the competition do(Roland)the Fantom sequencer and Kronos engines bolted together would be a step in the right direction!

With all the technology thats in the Kronos,its like fitting a car with a huge engine and then putting a limiter on it so you can't reach full speed,I would have respected Korg more if they simply had ommitted the seq option in the Kronos and made it purely a well endowed synth,rather than label it a workstation with the same crap sequencer from the Trinity days

popmann · Post by **popmann** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 am

I hear you on the sequencer. I agree the Roland has it beat...but, and I know this isn't what you want to hear, bit software sequencers DO run circles around the best hardware. The Kronos is perfectly useable for rec/playback needed for demos...and Roland, even though a little more feature rich cannot touch software for getting into real advanced midi sequence editing.

I personally want a keyboard to sound good...and more importantly play well. I don't think they could upgrade the sequencer enough to rival cubase, logic, or DP....however, by enabling user samples to stream from disc....conversion utilities for Giga samples....enabling an engine with anti machine gun random "finding pitch" or a legato string EX that utilizes transition legato samples, could all improve an otherwise great sounding engine. The raw tools for all of the above (save the string ex) are already in the Kronos, so adding the features would go a long way to making it complete with the best software emulation synths. I'd rather see them spend development time on those features...and let the sequencer serve the purpose that keyboard sequencers ALWAYS have-capturing writing demo ideas.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:33 am

popmann wrote:I hear you on the sequencer. I agree the Roland has it beat...but, and I know this isn't what you want to hear, bit software sequencers DO run circles around the best hardware. The Kronos is perfectly useable for rec/playback needed for demos...and Roland, even though a little more feature rich cannot touch software for getting into real advanced midi sequence editing.

I personally want a keyboard to sound good...and more importantly play well. I don't think they could upgrade the sequencer enough to rival cubase, logic, or DP....however, by enabling user samples to stream from disc....conversion utilities for Giga samples....enabling an engine with anti machine gun random "finding pitch" or a legato string EX that utilizes transition legato samples, could all improve an otherwise great sounding engine. The raw tools for all of the above (save the string ex) are already in the Kronos, so adding the features would go a long way to making it complete with the best software emulation synths. I'd rather see them spend development time on those features...and let the sequencer serve the purpose that keyboard sequencers ALWAYS have-capturing writing demo ideas.

I agree to this ... since Korg does not have an unlimited development team (well no company has but I don't think Korg has the possibilities to spend too many on excessive projects), I think they best can focus on sounds, engines and UI flexibility instead of the sequencer.

iixorbiusii · Post by **iixorbiusii** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:27 am

From what I understand - and I could be wrong here - the Kronos' sequencer is almost a direct port from the Oasys' sequencer, therefore I guess to save time/development costs etc, it was easier for Korg to shoe-horn something that already exists into the Kronos.

The M3 was developed after the Oasys and therefore has some features (Cue List, Piano Roll etc), which the Oasys doesn't.

The lack of Cue List - for me anyway - is a big issue, and is one of the main reasons I've not moved from my M3 to the Kronos yet. This is basically a feature that lets you arrange your intro, verse, bridge, ending etc into any order you want, and it's very inspirational for trying out arrangements... But they, er, didn't put this ability into the Kronos yet, and who knows if they ever will...

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:48 am

iixorbiusii wrote:From what I understand - and I could be wrong here - the Kronos' sequencer is almost a direct port from the Oasys' sequencer, therefore I guess to save time/development costs etc, it was easier for Korg to shoe-horn something that already exists into the Kronos.

The M3 was developed after the Oasys and therefore has some features (Cue List, Piano Roll etc), which the Oasys doesn't.

The lack of Cue List - for me anyway - is a big issue, and is one of the main reasons I've not moved from my M3 to the Kronos yet. This is basically a feature that lets you arrange your intro, verse, bridge, ending etc into any order you want, and it's very inspirational for trying out arrangements... But they, er, didn't put this ability into the Kronos yet, and who knows if they ever will...

Your understanding is true. If it ever will be implemented in the Kronos is unsure, possibly it will be added in the next Kronos') or if we are lucky in a future update of the current Kronos.

apex · Post by **apex** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:42 am

michelkeijzers wrote:
iixorbiusii wrote:From what I understand - and I could be wrong here - the Kronos' sequencer is almost a direct port from the Oasys' sequencer, therefore I guess to save time/development costs etc, it was easier for Korg to shoe-horn something that already exists into the Kronos.

The M3 was developed after the Oasys and therefore has some features (Cue List, Piano Roll etc), which the Oasys doesn't.

Your understanding is true. If it ever will be implemented in the Kronos is unsure, possibly it will be added in the next Kronos') or if we are lucky in a future update of the current Kronos.
while his statement is true... it also somewhat argues against the point HE was trying to make...

yes the Kronos sequencer is an almost direct port from the Oasys... and most likely yes it did save time/development cost to just "shoe-horn" it into the Kronos...

and yes the m3 may have been developed after the oasys...

(he's the kicker)

wasn't the Kronos developed after the m3? (yes)
so why couldn't the m3 sequencer be "shoe-horned" into the Kronos and save "time and development" cost?

hm.....

iixorbiusii · Post by **iixorbiusii** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:20 am

Why? Because the Kronos shares about 99% of the Oasys DNA (it's basically the same thing, isn't it?).

The M3 perhaps used a completely different architecture in its programming ?

cello · Post by **cello** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:30 am

iixorbiusii wrote:Why? Because the Kronos shares about 99% of the Oasys DNA (it's basically the same thing, isn't it?).
The M3 perhaps used a completely different architecture in its programming ?

Absolutely right. The M3 is a different machine completely (one engine - EDS - for a start). The O seq was designed to connect with the many more parameters and engine differences.