Karo libraries - data space - PCG auditioning - banks

[JPROBERTLA]

I have looked through the Karo libraries on the Korg website. The EXs 50 (Symphonic Library) seems to have many of the sounds I need.

Does anyone know if this library includes samples? It does not say in the online brochure that it does and many of the other libraries brochures give sample information that is included with the library.

I have the original RAM, but I will be upgrading to the max in a week or so. Even with this, it does not seem like there will be enough memory for many additional samples. Korg product support once told me that the "official" Korg libraries will store much of the sample data on the SSD; is that whats going to happen to accommodate the now available sample libraries?

Something I discovered (may be old news to some) - you can audition programs directly from a USB pcg file without actually loading them into banks. With the limited number of banks and the enormous number of programs out there, this is a very useful function. The Kronos needs more banks - 21 is just not enough. I am having to go back and eliminate sounds that I probably will never use and rebuild the banks. Is this something the editor would make alot easier?

[DoubleM]

Something I discovered (may be old news to some) - you can audition programs directly from a USB pcg file without actually loading them into banks. With the limited number of banks and the enormous number of programs out there, this is a very useful function.

Sounds interesting! How do you do that?

[apex]

wow 21 is not enough...

people are right when they say folks are never satisfied.... if they give you 8 you have to have more. then you get 12, still not enough. 16, etc... all the way up to 21.

do you know how many patches that comes out to? i read another guys post on another site... how many patches does a person REALLY need?

What I'd do if I was running out of space is figure out which of those pianos I really didn't need. How many different pianos does one user really use consistently... don't most people pick a few they really like and then just ride with those? do you really need to have

same thing with the organs. in my opinion all the organ presets do sound really good, but if you were playing a real hammond organ you'd use the drawbars and other knobs, switches, etc... to achieve the different organ sound that you want. so why do we have to have _____________ organs instead of just a few organ presets and then use the different control options to make parameter changes to achieve the sound that we want?

both of these suggestions alone could free up quite a few patch slots:

on my system:

63 acoustic pianos
108 electric pianos
155 organs

Now I didn't go in and count the general midi patches that where there so remove those if you want... I know it's not 10, but I'll give 10 to each category. (so that take 30 of your available away). It still leaves you with almost 300 spaces for sounds that would be more beneficial to your needs.

I love the Korg system because it allows the user to make the Keyboard EXACTLY like they want it. My Kronos may be completely different from yours. (as far as patches) I still think it would be an awesome project for a company to release a keyboard with the most awesome wave rom/samples possible and then include ZERO presets. Also... unlimited spaces for patches (depending on the size of your memory or hard drive).

I could do this with my Kronos, but I'm not much of a programmer yet. But just imagine how much detail and time a guy could put into HIS SPECIFIC board and make it sound so special... so unique... It would be crazy.

anyway, Korg allows us this flexibility and no one else does. The ability to overwrite preset slots is a VERY VERY AWESOME FEATURE.... very very awesome.

I hope these ideas help you out.

[db1]

The Kronos needs more banks - 21 is just not enough. I am having to go back and eliminate sounds that I probably will never use and rebuild the banks. Is this something the editor would make alot easier?

I agree, my Kronos is full. Not complaining that it's full of course, I just hate the fact that I have to load and unload banks when I want to use certain sounds since I don't have enough room to have everything loaded all at once.

I'm really thinking of selling my M3 so I can use the money towards the purchase of another Kronos.I just would need to re create my combi's which would be a pain in the ass.

[apex]

why don't you just delete sounds that you don't use to make room for the ones that you are using...

[michelkeijzers]

Tip: use set list slots for all sounds you use (programs/combis).
Create an empty PCG file (clear all banks), then copy/paste all set list slots and all programs/combis and programs used in the combis. Then you have probably enough empty programs/combis free.

[apex]

Tip: use set list slots for all sounds you use (programs/combis).
Create an empty PCG file (clear all banks), then copy/paste all set list slots and all programs/combis and programs used in the combis. Then you have probably enough empty programs/combis free.

don't understand...

[db1]

why don't you just delete sounds that you don't use to make room for the ones that you are using...

I might do that,especially since I'm out of space. Is there anyway to unload the CX-3 Tonewheel Organ?

[johnnydr]

Tip: use set list slots for all sounds you use (programs/combis).
Create an empty PCG file (clear all banks), then copy/paste all set list slots and all programs/combis and programs used in the combis. Then you have probably enough empty programs/combis free.

don't understand...

Yes Sounds interesting!,but need more detail MK

[robbie50]

why don't you just delete sounds that you don't use to make room for the ones that you are using...

I might do that,especially since I'm out of space. Is there anyway to unload the CX-3 Tonewheel Organ?

And is there a way to unload all the Piano's?
I don't use them!


rob

[apex]

why don't you just delete sounds that you don't use to make room for the ones that you are using...

I might do that,especially since I'm out of space. Is there anyway to unload the CX-3 Tonewheel Organ?

And is there a way to unload all the Piano's?
I don't use them!


rob

save over them one by one.

[JPROBERTLA]

Sounds interesting! How do you do that?

After you have installed the sounds on a thumb drive, select the drive and open the pcg tabs until you see all the programs line up (0-127). Highlight the program and it will be playable to listen to.

NOTE: the controllers functions (like SW1 & 2) will work but will not light up the same as in program mode.

This makes auditioning programs in a bank easy - just save the ones you like from there.

[michelkeijzers]

Create an empty PCG file (clear all banks), then copy/paste all set list slots and all programs/combis and programs used in the combis. Then you have probably enough empty programs/combis free.

don't understand...

Yes Sounds interesting!,but need more detail MK

Ok first you need to install PCG Tools.

- On your Kronos, make a set list slot for every program/combi you want to save. If this is too much work, you also can later copy these programs/combis in PCG Tools too. In the rest of the example it is assumed every program/combi you like to 'keep' are in set list slots.
- Save the PCG file from the Kronos (complete PCG file including program banks, combi banks and set lists and global, just everything, which is
default)
- Load that PCG file into PCG Tools (assumed to be called Org.pcg)
- Save this file to another file (e.g. Dest.pcg)
- Load the first PCG file again (so you have two equal but different named PCG files open: Org.pcg and Dest.pcg)
- In Dest.pcg select all combi banks and press the Clear button
- In Dest.pcg select all program banks and press the Clear button
- In Dest.pcg select all sets lists and press the Clear button.
- Now Dest.pcg is completely empty (actually only the names are removed, but that doesn't matter)
- From Org.pcg select all set lists and press Copy
- You notice not only the set list slots are copied, but also programs and combis. These are the programs and combis used in the set list slots AND also all the programs used in the copied combis.
- Now you can do the following in any order:
- Select set lists and press paste, the set list slots will be pasted (you can do it multiple times, only make sure not to overwrite set list slots again)
- Now do the same with all programs and combis (remember that modeled programs can only be pasted in modeled banks and sampled programs in sampled banks).
- All references will be fixed automatically.
- Save Dest.pcg
- Load it in the Kronos
- All empty programs and combis can now be refilled again in the way you want (you also can load another PCG file in Kronos and copy/paste from there).