Want / need

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:37 pm

Just a basic tip.

When you hear a sound you really like, you can favourite it, and/ or assign to a user tab and/ or rename with a * (thats what I do) at the end of the title. QuiRobinez puts QR next to his bespoke library sounds, which is great.

It is easy to forget your favourites with so much choice and sometimes when you just want to relax and have a play, it's great to pin point your fave sounds and just enjoy your Kronos.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:37 pm

JPWC wrote:I find myself in a similar position when buying new keyboards. First I download every manual, pdf, doc, spreadsheet, etc. I can find.

Actually, Stephen K and few others know this about me...i never read Manuals,
the first thing i do when i buy new electronic piece is throw the manual in the garbage.
If i actually did what you do i would probably never buy a synth.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:51 pm

BasariStudios wrote:
JPWC wrote:I find myself in a similar position when buying new keyboards. First I download every manual, pdf, doc, spreadsheet, etc. I can find.
Actually, Stephen K and few others know this about me...i never read Manuals,
the first thing i do when i buy new electronic piece is throw the manual in the garbage.
If i actually did what you do i would probably never buy a synth.

i know that you don't read manuals, but my opinion is that even when you are experienced that you will miss a lot of the features a synth has to offer. Sometimes it can be as subtle as a new workflow that is way less time consuming then your own workflow.

Personally i always read the manuals, when you are experienced then it doesn't take that long to 'fast read' the manual. And i have to be honest, the Kronos parameter guide is written really well, also the examples are really good and it gives a lot of information that i would never discovered myself by just trying things on the kronos.

The tip from JPWC was a really good one, to just read the section that you need at that moment. So for instance, when you want to create a user customizable step filter as an AMS source through the quantized function, then that is really hard to find out yourself. So why not read the two pages in the operation manual that explaines that and off you go

It takes 10 minutes to read it and it will save you hours of frustration when you can't do it without reading it (or even know that it's possible).

Not that i'm saying that you must read the manual, but even in your case i can recall quite a few threads here where you say that things don't work and were Dan tried to explain with referrals to the manual how it should work. I'm confident that with your experience it wouldn't take long to 'fast read' the manual.

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:53 pm

JPWC wrote:Listen to the great QR, he's all pro!

And while his videos are great, I have to wear my reading glasses as his font choice is to match the pitch of the Kronos.

But it's worth it.

Yes, that is true - I also learned much from QR's videos - way faster than with the paperware. Go and see yourself

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:12 pm

Well you guys / gals are a huge motivation. Yes I have read and posted on korg forums for a couple years, a lot in the wavedrum area. I think readi g the manuals the negatives and the newness are what put me off buying at this time last year. A new year and the desire is still there so I know it isn't a whim. I'm stoked but until I get the beast I am not looking at another Kronos manual, they are intimidating when you know nothing. I will keep tweaki g the maschine, learn its midi capabilities and see just how well I can integrate it with the Kronos once it arrives. I can place my order on the first!

I have watched some QR tutorials and the RichF vids. I need it in front of me to make it all mesh. Thanks everyone, I do however, wonder how many people have passed on the Kronos because they were doing like I did then just gave up because it seemed like to day to big a task to learn.

KevinH · Post by **KevinH** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:43 pm

The manuals are also in the Kronos itself and are accessible by pressing the Help button. It will bring up info from the manual about what is currently on your screen. You can also hold the help button, then move any button, slider or knob to bring up info specific to that control.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:47 pm

QuiRobinez wrote:i know that you don't read manuals, but my opinion is that even when you are experienced that you will miss a lot of the features a synth has to offer..

You are right...then you know another thing about me...i have no patience for anything...including women.
Thanks God this one is a musician and when i wanna buy something does not start packing but she is asking
me if i need some money to buy it and encourages me...i remember my past.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:52 pm

BasariStudios wrote:
QuiRobinez wrote:i know that you don't read manuals, but my opinion is that even when you are experienced that you will miss a lot of the features a synth has to offer..
You are right...then you know another thing about me...i have no patience for anything...including women.
Thanks God this one is a musician and when i wanna buy something does not start packing but she is asking
me if i need some money to buy it and encourages me...i remember my past.

hahaha,
wel you had the patience to create your oriental soundset, which sounded like a lot of work to me when i heared the endresult, that was really good work

vipmusicos59 · Post by **vipmusicos59** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:09 pm

I'm not as experienced as you are, all of you, even if i've been working for five years with the old Red karma and for far many years with Yamaha arrangers... but, a step-by-step approach (with the OpGuide as a useful help through new functions) is a good method, I think...

I'm always doing things like that= in the end, on Tyros 4, I can do lot of things that normal users can't do... On Kronos, I'm patiently learning things, dicovering each prog, each combi, each scene... I'm karma-addicted... but there's a giant step from my Red Original One to Kronos New Karma Engine !

I've got several new functions to learn!

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:11 am

JPWC wrote: I got the unit and after about 5 minutes reading the little 4 page sheet that came in the box and playing with the thing about 15 more minutes, sequencer solved! So, 5-7 hours of effort before I got the unit arrive and I was confused, 20 minutes after it arrive I had a fundamental understanding of the units features and operations.

Oh and to boot------now that confusing analog-FOUR manual seems to magically all make sense.

I recommend you don't hold much concern about understanding the unit through the written documentation. Hands-on makes all the difference, at least in the beginning.

:

I agree entirely.

Personally I find it best to dive in and have a play, and then a few days or weeks later, look through the details of what I'm trying to do. That way, what the manual says, makes sense.

Reading a manual in advance about something I've never touched before just makes it seem more complicated than it really is.

miden · Post by **miden** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:39 am

Ojustaboo wrote: Personally I find it best to dive in and have a play, and then a few days or weeks later, look through the details of what I'm trying to do. That way, what the manual says, makes sense.

Reading a manual in advance about something I've never touched before just makes it seem more complicated than it really is.

+1

Corgy · Post by **Corgy** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:55 am

Ojustaboo wrote:
JPWC wrote: I got the unit and after about 5 minutes reading the little 4 page sheet that came in the box and playing with the thing about 15 more minutes, sequencer solved! So, 5-7 hours of effort before I got the unit arrive and I was confused, 20 minutes after it arrive I had a fundamental understanding of the units features and operations.

Oh and to boot------now that confusing analog-FOUR manual seems to magically all make sense.

I recommend you don't hold much concern about understanding the unit through the written documentation. Hands-on makes all the difference, at least in the beginning.

:
I agree entirely.

Personally I find it best to dive in and have a play, and then a few days or weeks later, look through the details of what I'm trying to do. That way, what the manual says, makes sense.

Reading a manual in advance about something I've never touched before just makes it seem more complicated than it really is.

I agree - learning by doing makes things often easier to get a hang on it. But let me stand up for the quality of the Kronos documentation. It is much to read, but it is much of use also, because it's written well and structured well. The "fast reading" of the parameter guide was important for me to understand that the sound engines would give me what I demanded. I did this reading before I decided to buy the keyboard.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:10 am

I also made the mistake with the Triton Extreme to not read the manual the first months and then discovered about some important features.

I have to admit I haven't read the complete Kronos manual but I read some parts that gave me a lot more insight, something I would not have discovered when I skipped the manual. So what Qui Robinez says above is completely true.

And yes, I maybe spend too much time writing PCG Tools than playing the Kronos (or reading about it).