Hi,
New Kronos X61 owner here and I am loving this musical instrument. Sounds great... amazing instrument.
I have some simple questions. And I have searched and read many many threads but have not been satisfied with the answers in total so I thought I'd ask.
Do you think it makes more sense to use the Kronos is SEQ or COMBI mode with an external sequencer.
My objectives are to:
Retain as much program magic on each channel as possible. By this I mean: Effects and controllers are most like the way the program sounds in "PROG" mode. For example I would like the default effects to be as similar as possible in my multitimbral mode as they are in the PROG mode. And I want SW1, SW2, and the VECTOR JOYSTICK to work as similarly in SEQ/COMBI as PROG mode as possible.
Opinions? Advice?
Thanks!
SEQ or COMBI mode for External sequencing
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SanderXpander
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Those two things (using an external sequencer instead of the built in one, and retaining program fx in combi/seq mode) don't really have anything to do with each other.
If you want go keep the fx settings from program mode in combi/seq mode, you can use the "copy from program" option. If you use many programs and you run out of ifx slots, you will have to reconsider and adapt some of the routing. Whether you're using an external sequencer or not makes zero difference here.
That said, many people don't really like the Kronos sequencer, and certainly it's limited compared to a modern DAW like Logic, Cubase, ProTools etc.
Hooking it up to an external sequencer obviously requires more cabling and communication hassle than working on the Kronos, however. So it's really a question of personal preference.
If you want go keep the fx settings from program mode in combi/seq mode, you can use the "copy from program" option. If you use many programs and you run out of ifx slots, you will have to reconsider and adapt some of the routing. Whether you're using an external sequencer or not makes zero difference here.
That said, many people don't really like the Kronos sequencer, and certainly it's limited compared to a modern DAW like Logic, Cubase, ProTools etc.
Hooking it up to an external sequencer obviously requires more cabling and communication hassle than working on the Kronos, however. So it's really a question of personal preference.
Well' that's true if you use a limited number of progs and combis but if you need to record a whole song with just the kronos I can see some limitations with the FXs to share between the tracks. Of course you can achieve what you want but you of course need to "calibrate" your fx and this requires a bit of time while with an external sequencer you don't have these kind of problems. I usually use the kronos sequencer just to throw out the ideas and later record properly on logic or auria for ipad and it works perfectly for me.SanderXpander wrote:Those two things (using an external sequencer instead of the built in one, and retaining program fx in combi/seq mode) don't really have anything to do with each other.
If you want go keep the fx settings from program mode in combi/seq mode, you can use the "copy from program" option. If you use many programs and you run out of ifx slots, you will have to reconsider and adapt some of the routing. Whether you're using an external sequencer or not makes zero difference here.
That said, many people don't really like the Kronos sequencer, and certainly it's limited compared to a modern DAW like Logic, Cubase, ProTools etc.
Hooking it up to an external sequencer obviously requires more cabling and communication hassle than working on the Kronos, however. So it's really a question of personal preference.
That is exactly the problem. Each program, combi/sequencer provides the same quantitiy of FX slots. You have 12 Internal FX, 2 Master FX, and 2 Total FX.metallo wrote: Well' that's true if you use a limited number of progs and combis but if you need to record a whole song with just the kronos I can see some limitations with the FXs to share between the tracks.
Having 3 to 4 programs with quite complex FX-ing can exceed the limit soon at the level of the Internal FX. I allways copy the internal FX as is from a program and don't like "shared" FX. A FX "collision" at the Master or Total FX level can also be an issue, because we have got 2 only.
If you would like to have no compromises of sound, you could use your DAW sequencer and have a track by track recording of optimized Kronos programs, or combis. You could add all "missing FX", which are not possible by the limited FX slots in the Kronos simultaneously, by plug-ins of your DAW.
We also have 2 Joysticks and two switches 1 and 2. If two programs share this - I don't know what the outcome will be. In a combi/sequ mode you have to plan carefully, which of the physical modulation sources (wheels, joysticks, buttons etc.) shall be used and how. At program level you can use as many as you have and as you like it.
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SanderXpander
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So, exactly like I said, whether you use the Kronos with an external sequencer or not makes zero difference on how many program ifx you can copy. If, at some point, you run out of slots, you'll want to reconsider your routing and combine or scratch some fx routings. This is exactly the same for an internal or external sequencer. If you want to bounce stuff to audio WITH fx so you can free up the slots, you can do this within the Kronos sequencer as well.
I would never personally use the Kronos sequencer as I'm quite happy with the vastly greater possibilities of my computer based DAW, but then I don't really use any Kronos sounds in the studio so I never have to bother with integrating it. But whichever you prefer has no bearing on how many ifx slots you can use.
I would never personally use the Kronos sequencer as I'm quite happy with the vastly greater possibilities of my computer based DAW, but then I don't really use any Kronos sounds in the studio so I never have to bother with integrating it. But whichever you prefer has no bearing on how many ifx slots you can use.
I use SEQ mode with an external sequencer although I see how Combi mode may be sufficient. Some of the behaviour is different though.
To be honest I prefer recording an audio track into my DAW and keeping a muted MIDI track recorded in case I need to revisit the notes or sounds later. That way there is no problem with FX routing, controller assignments, KARMA, you could even record 8 or 9 combis if you wanted.
To be honest I prefer recording an audio track into my DAW and keeping a muted MIDI track recorded in case I need to revisit the notes or sounds later. That way there is no problem with FX routing, controller assignments, KARMA, you could even record 8 or 9 combis if you wanted.
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I use SEQ Mode as well in combination with an external sequencer (Cubase 5).
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Generally, you should use SEQ mode with an external sequencer. Why?
Well, that depends. If you want to use KARMA at all on the Kronos, and then record the results of that into the external sequencer, it's rather more difficult in Combi Mode.
In SEQ mode, you copy the combi into the Seq, using either the Menu Command button "Copy From Combi", or the Auto Song Setup feature. It's then a copy of the Combi.
However, when you want to transmit any MIDI that KARMA may be generating, you simply set the Track Statuses of the appropriate tracks to "BOTH", and it transmits the MIDI while still allowing you to hear it on the internal tone generator. (Set Local Control On as well, that's a little peculiarity you have to know about.)
In Combi mode, there is no "BOTH" setting. You have to set the Timbre Statuses to "EXT" (External) to generate external MIDI, at which point you can no longer hear the notes on the internal tone generator. This makes it way more difficult.
If you don't intend to use KARMA to generate any phrases that you want the eternal sequencer to record, well then a case could be made that there's not a big difference using Combi or SEQ mode.
Well, that depends. If you want to use KARMA at all on the Kronos, and then record the results of that into the external sequencer, it's rather more difficult in Combi Mode.
In SEQ mode, you copy the combi into the Seq, using either the Menu Command button "Copy From Combi", or the Auto Song Setup feature. It's then a copy of the Combi.
However, when you want to transmit any MIDI that KARMA may be generating, you simply set the Track Statuses of the appropriate tracks to "BOTH", and it transmits the MIDI while still allowing you to hear it on the internal tone generator. (Set Local Control On as well, that's a little peculiarity you have to know about.)
In Combi mode, there is no "BOTH" setting. You have to set the Timbre Statuses to "EXT" (External) to generate external MIDI, at which point you can no longer hear the notes on the internal tone generator. This makes it way more difficult.
If you don't intend to use KARMA to generate any phrases that you want the eternal sequencer to record, well then a case could be made that there's not a big difference using Combi or SEQ mode.
I have a bunch of old sequences on my computer that I've been loading into the Kronos for live use. I start with an INIT combi and work in the sequencer to do as much with mix, bank/patch changes, etc. If I need to write patches, I do so. When I have it about 90% there, I load it in as an SMF. At that point, I start by copying IFX and MFX. I start with the drum track, then go to any other effects that I know are critical to the patches. Of course, it then takes a little time getting all the routing right. At that point, usually with about half the IFX full, I make best use I can of them for all the parts. Only if I can't make them work do I start importing or employing others. Lots of times, effects can be redundant if you try to copy them all. Especially with reverbs, EQ (you have individual EQ per channel), etc. So fare I haven't run out of effects.
