Impossible to Load EXs10, 11, 12, & 13 at the same time?

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Tue May 29, 2012 4:22 am

Am I understanding correctly that I can not load all of the following at the same time on a Kronos with RAM maxed out?

-- Factory Preload
-- EXS10,11, 12, &13

I currently have 10, 12, & 13 installed and the system is saying:
-- EXs 11 needs 702 MB of memory
-- I only have 592 MB of memory available.

If so, this is disappointing.

keego · Post by **keego** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:08 am

Ye. It's true

I only load the individual EX's that I require along with user sample data.

For example as I don't use drums so they are surplus to requirements for me

cello · Post by **cello** » Tue May 29, 2012 8:57 am

I'm afraid it's true and is part of the OASYS legacy!

The O RAM is maxed at 2Gb - you guys have double that.

See the OASYS section for many threads on filing/loading methods to work within the RAM limitation which is finite - so you have to have a workflow approach that recognises that you can't load all possible libraries that you may own, as well as factory installed/purchased.

seapea · Post by **seapea** » Tue May 29, 2012 10:21 am

MartinHines wrote:Am I understanding correctly that I can not load all of the following at the same time on a Kronos with RAM maxed out?

If so, this is disappointing.

I remembered seeing this. It might help determine what to get rid of

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=71703

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Tue May 29, 2012 10:45 am

cello wrote:I'm afraid it's true and is part of the OASYS legacy!

The O RAM is maxed at 2Gb - you guys have double that.

See the OASYS section for many threads on filing/loading methods to work within the RAM limitation which is finite - so you have to have a workflow approach that recognises that you can't load all possible libraries that you may own, as well as factory installed/purchased.

In fact we only have 3 Gb, so just one third more than the Oasys.
On the other hand, the available RAM libraries still have to be handled by the limited CPU, so some kind of limitation is natural for a keyboard with an Intel Atom on board: it can hardly use a dozen monster streaming libraries at the same time.

There should perhaps be subsets of the extra-large Korg strings: the maximum library is simply not suited to be used along with other big libraries.

There is still another alternative though: you could do several startup configurations and use the one you need at a time. I don't see any reason to use the big strings library live, ever, but it can be useful for certain kinds of recording. So we can use one startup configuration for movie scores or recording orchestral strings, and another for everyday purposes. It's all no really big deal in the end.

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Tue May 29, 2012 11:05 am

cello wrote:I'm afraid it's true and is part of the OASYS legacy!

The O RAM is maxed at 2Gb - you guys have double that.

See the OASYS section for many threads on filing/loading methods to work within the RAM limitation which is finite - so you have to have a workflow approach that recognises that you can't load all possible libraries that you may own, as well as factory installed/purchased.

But with the OASYS it is still possible to load ALL existing Korg OASYS sample libraries at the same time and still having about 17 minutes sampling time for own samples. It is just not possible to load all the Korg OASYS sample libraries AND other libraries e.g. from KARO at the same time...
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cello · Post by **cello** » Tue May 29, 2012 11:14 am

Dany wrote:
cello wrote:I'm afraid it's true and is part of the OASYS legacy!

The O RAM is maxed at 2Gb - you guys have double that.

See the OASYS section for many threads on filing/loading methods to work within the RAM limitation which is finite - so you have to have a workflow approach that recognises that you can't load all possible libraries that you may own, as well as factory installed/purchased.
But with the OASYS it is still possible to load ALL existing Korg OASYS sample libraries at the same time and still having about 17 minutes sampling time for own samples. It is just not possible to load all the Korg OASYS sample libraries AND other libraries e.g. from KARO at the same time...
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Yes, that's true - I meant to highlight that it is not possible to load up factory AND all possible 3rd party libraries - which I think is an even bigger issue for the Kronos than the OASYS simply because there are more libraries now.

DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Tue May 29, 2012 1:25 pm

Cello, you are right on the money again. That is why I'm forced to only keep on my system the maximum that can be loaded up and that is my the collection of sounds to be utilized in my workflow. I can never predict when I will have to play out. So for me, I need to know the colors I have to predictably and confidently pull up.

Some of you work with computers with your music and it is convenient to file things away and pull them up when you want them. That is cool. I am a dinosaur. When inspiration strikes, I use the sound or sounds that I need from my immediate inventory. If I need to play one of my compositions, I need to either play it or pull up the sequence. The set list is a cool thing.

Unfortunately, Martinhines, I empathize with you. That is why I went for both the O and the K, because I have a large and consistent soundset to pick from, as well as, interchangeability potential between the two boards.

BTW, on "another note", I found it interesting when Jim stated in response to Cello that the K has another "third" as much memory as the O(3 gig to 2 gig). That is also a 50% greater ram capacity. So, in this example, 1/3 and 50% are equal.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue May 29, 2012 1:47 pm

per usual, buy a 2nd Kronos to solve the problem

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Tue May 29, 2012 1:48 pm

The daft thing from Korg is to not have maxed out the Kronos straight from factory !

Considering the cost of another 2 Gb module, especially when buying in bulk like Korg must be doing, it would not cost the earth to ship units with all the RAM you need to use the expansion banks. And who's going to argue about spending another $20/$30 on top of a four figure purchase price !

Now, if adding a RAM module was as simple as, say with a PA1X, equipped with a trap door, then it wouldn't be difficult to let users do that themselves.

But with the faff it is opening the Kronos, using spacers for the K73 & K88, removing the bottom... not to mention that some users will find this far too complicated, then Korg has made things extra hard when they could have been so simple.

I don't know who gets to finalise designs at Korg, but surely not somebody who talks to ordinary users, because he would have been told about this design flaw straight away !

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Tue May 29, 2012 2:10 pm

Francois wrote:The daft thing from Korg is to not have maxed out the Kronos straight from factory !

Considering the cost of another 2 Gb module, especially when buying in bulk like Korg must be doing, it would not cost the earth to ship units with all the RAM you need to use the expansion banks. And who's going to argue about spending another $20/$30 on top of a four figure purchase price !

Now, if adding a RAM module was as imple as, say with a PA1X, equipped with a trap door, then it wouldn't be difficult to let users do that themselves.

But with the faff it is opening the Kronos, using spacers for the K73 & K88, removing the bottom... not to mention that some users will find this far too complicated, then Korg has made things extra hard when they could have been so simple.

I don't know who gets to finalise designs at Korg, but surely not somebody who talks to ordinary users, because he would have been told about this design flaw straight away !

Another problem might be the OS or hardware / revised own version that only supports 4 GB (minus some overhead).

DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Tue May 29, 2012 2:56 pm

michelkeijzers, thar be the problem. We all might be soon using the pcg tools.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Tue May 29, 2012 4:18 pm

DennyC wrote:michelkeijzers, thar be the problem. We all might be soon using the pcg tools.

I'm afraid PCG Tools does not help in this case; it can not change the physical size of the memory nor changing the sample set.

A part of the wish list is to check programs/combis/set list slots against used wave forms, guess it will be even more important now with this limitation of the RAM amount.

MartinHines · Post by **MartinHines** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:17 pm

seapea wrote: I remembered seeing this. It might help determine what to get rid of

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=71703

Very helpful. Thanks.

I guess I was taken off guard regarding the EXs expansions. I have always assumed the Karo libs would push you over the top, but I was not aware the Korg expansions would.

I guess I will have to figure out what is most important.

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