And finally when i thought everything was okay...

[NuSkoolTone]

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I know I have mentioned a need for a UPS as well as a line conditioner; but I know that i would never claim that providing one would absolutely guarantee there would be not software or glitches with the Kronos...nor will those devices prevent one from running out of gas, singing harmony lines off key, not playing the right lick, or picking the right lotto numbers. Yes, I am injecting humor. It seems like the will to believe allows some people to infer all kinds of stuff not directly or indirectly implied. What the "right" power condtioning might do is prevent a brown out and a surge from blowing a cheap powerstrip possibly seriously damaging the Kronos; or even worse, without one, maybe frying a mother board. Complicated synths like the Kronos and the Oasys can be damaged by compromised consumer electrical systems(ye old electrical grid).

NuSkoolTone, BTW, I am not a fanboy, meaning that everything that Korg does is perfect. I just like Korg keyboards, going way back to the M1. My honest suggestion to you is if you are that concerned about the predictability of performance, get a JP80 or a Kurzweil PC3K series or even a Yamaha Motif. I think all three of these might provide a higher level of confidence in the "I hope it doesn't reboot or fail on me" syndrome(more stable platform). I enjoy reading your posts, but I think you read too much into what power conditioning can or will accomplish.

Good luck with your upcoming gig.

Oh no, I don't think a UPS is going to stop freak accidents or typical mistakes. Just previously everyone was piling on that it was the POWER and the Kronos had nothing to do with it.

I already have a Motif that has seen 300+ gigs easily and is road proven needing a minor repair here and there. I Currently Use the Kronos's baby baby brother the M50 which has been flawless. It's my intent to replace the M50 with the Kronos.

Now if the Kronos goes "down" I can get through the gig with the Motif. As I say that, let's not forget the Kronos is supposed to be a professional instrument used in the field. So in that view, Korg should definitely invest some time into the cause and possible solutions in my opinion.

[tmatos75]

Robinhood,

Check your RAM Modules. If you have 4GB (2x2GB Modules), replace them both and see if that solves your issue.

Something tells me it's the RAM that's going bad on you....

Kind of early, I know. But it happens from time to time....

Sina

Sina,
While I dont disagree that bad RAM will cause the "blue screen of death". My experience with bad RAM is that you will get reboots often, not once in a blue moon.

I doubt that RAM is the main cause of all the reboots going on with the Kronos.
So far, my Kronos has only rebooted once (during a gig), and I have not opened the cover to check or re-seat the RAM, (because it is still under warranty and I am planning to take it to a service dealer to replace the keybed contacts).
From what I have seen, everything points to bugs in the code, and not bad power.

I can't believe that we've come to the point now, where, after shelling out over $3500, we are also expected to lug a UPS with us to a gig!

As a side note, given how long it takes to boot up the Kronos, Korg should have designed power storage capacitors in the power supply that would allow the Kronos to ride through at least a 2 second voltage dip without it rebooting itself.

Again, I love my Kronos, but it is the most expensive and most buggy keyboard I have bought.
To say that I am dissappointed with Korg is an understatement.

Does anyone know how many backup Kronos's Jordan Rudess travels with?

[RonF]

My bet is on the RAM either going bad, or mis-seated.

[SeedyLee]

Yeah there's something going on. The fanbois love to pile on with "it's your power! Use a UPS!"

WELL? Whatcha got to say NOW fanbois?

I've been cynical of this explanation for a while too.

I guess the answer is that it must be bad power: get a UPS for your UPS.

[joesi]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

[rrricky rrrecordo]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

Not a bad guess, in my opinion. I have a an older Fujitsu Lifebook U810 (it's tiny) that's propelled by an Intel Celeron processor at 800 Mhz. It runs many of my older plugs flawlessly, while my Atom-based Toshiba N305 netbook struggles to do the same.

The OASYS was built on a then-state-of-the-art platform. Kronos was apparently built on a lower-the-costs-today platform.

You may be on to it. Kronos' software may be pushing the Atom to a point where an electron finally says "do what... I don't think so".

[mercede1]

I had my first reboot last night since i bought Kronos.
I was playing on a live gig,suddenly i see Kronos reboot...good i had Pa3x there(EVEN WITHOUT BATTERRY REPLACE YET).What's going on.........

[AMR]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

That would, in theory, cause slowlyness, apparent hangs. lagging and severe performance degrades, all of which are rarely ever felt using Kronos, at least, in my experience, which makes heavy use of it's computing power (all fx, lots of poly, straight to disk in 4x 24 bit tracks) - it just eats notes, as expected, seamlessly.

Still is hard to figure where and how the computing is done (there's also an ARM chip somewhere) thus based on the thread around here that is exploring the kronos architecture.

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

[SeedyLee]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

Someone should tell Intel they're designing their processors wrong! With all respect, I think this is a bad guess.

As long as the electrical and physical specifications of the processor are being met, the Atom processor should have no issues with the workload being run against it. There processors are considerably more powerful and efficient than the P4 in the OASYS.

If the software runs on the Atom, it runs on the Atom.

[GregC]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

That would, in theory, cause slowlyness, apparent hangs. lagging and severe performance degrades, all of which are rarely ever felt using Kronos, at least, in my experience, which makes heavy use of it's computing power (all fx, lots of poly, straight to disk in 4x 24 bit tracks) - it just eats notes, as expected, seamlessly.

Still is hard to figure where and how the computing is done (there's also an ARM chip somewhere) thus based on the thread around here that is exploring the kronos architecture.

Kind Regards,
AMR
http://www.alvaromrocha.com

its not a simple PC in a case. Korg used embedded system design.

Wikipedia has a fair explanation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system

Software design is very large part of the cost time spent on this.

I worked for an Embedded_system company back in 2005-2008 and have
an appreciation what is involved.

[michelkeijzers]

I worked for an Embedded_system company back in 2005-2008 and have
an appreciation what is involved.

I have worked in embedded (full or partly) during the last 17 years and the company I work for to give an idea, we program on average about 10-50 lines daily.

All other time is spend to specifications, writing test cases, writing documentation, meetings, testing regression, testing software, testing hardware, bug fixing etc.

E.g. to fix a bug on a machine type that is already send out to customers can cost up to $100K (that is for a one line change in bad cases).

[rrricky rrrecordo]

...a long read, but audio rendering is one thing Atoms do better than the P4 (as deployed in OASYS) according to this article. There are other factors to consider though - cost being one

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ato ... ,2649.html

[tiggie_00]

Intel makes their CPUs perfect ! Its Korgs fault for putting in a NETBOOK CPU.. ATOM.. When it should have a 64bit quad core unlocked/under clocked to keep cool. + that would allow us to have 16gb of sample data..

Kronos 64 ???

[NuSkoolTone]

I am guessing the Intel Atom processor is not up to the task.

Not a bad guess, in my opinion. I have a an older Fujitsu Lifebook U810 (it's tiny) that's propelled by an Intel Celeron processor at 800 Mhz. It runs many of my older plugs flawlessly, while my Atom-based Toshiba N305 netbook struggles to do the same.

The OASYS was built on a then-state-of-the-art platform. Kronos was apparently built on a lower-the-costs-today platform.

You may be on to it. Kronos' software may be pushing the Atom to a point where an electron finally says "do what... I don't think so".

Are you guys SERIOUSLY comparing a processor released in like 2002 to one in 2010? Ok just checkin. FWIW I have yet to get the "processor meter" to break a sweat. I doubt HIGHLY that is the issue.

[1jordyzzz]

hey guys slow down here... i think a dual intel atoms on the kronos is more than enough to run a musical instrument (well compare to mot*f and P*3K8 which uses what processor???).. and i say DUAL intel atoms... rebooting issue might be also a software problem... i've heard on the internet that the first software releases of the korg oasys also experience the same thing (random reboots, crashes, etc), but they have got fixed on the latest OS...
So, i've had a faith in korg that they soon will fix those issues (as they did with RH3 issue and data wheel issue)..
just for the picture, computer's OS like windows and mac's also have an update right?? to fix the bugs that may exist.. well, korg is doing the same..
well it's all my humble opinion..[/b]