laandodeman wrote:I really think it's an omission that there is no CP80 sample in the EP1 engine.
EP1 models reed and tine behavior (which are similar to each other). CP80 is strung... it's essentially a regular piano, except with pickups instead of a soundboard. (Other differences are fewer and shorter strings, but it's still basically a traditional string piano design.) It's probably a better candidate for SGX-1, HD-1 or maybe even STR-1 than it is for EP-1. But since it's not there, have you checked out the possibility of adding these? http://thekronosblog.blogspot.com/2013/ ... brary.html
The live interface on my Stage 2 is great. Yeah, it's expensive considering I use it only for B3 and piano, but the instantaneous connection feels great to play. All subjective, but I don't get on with Korg's hammer action. The Nord is still the best instrument I've owned.
The Kronos gets used for everything else, including EPs (love them), FX for my acoustic guitar and bass, crazy splits and layers - stuff that needs to be planned.
: Nord Stage 2 HA88 : Korg Kronos 61 : Korg Kronos 2 73 : MacBook Pro :
Yes Scott, these are the samples I found and am using now, quite a lot even. They're really good and these are the ones that saved me. I also bought the Hollow Sun samples, they're less good.
Kevin Nolan wrote: bands and groups playing on every street, at every corner and at every available venue - all free -
The "all free" part surprises (and disappoints) me. I know it's hard for some folks to get a good paying gig here in the US, but I'd assumed that wasn't the case in Europe. (Unless you mean there's no cover charges.)
NuSkoolTone wrote:I have yet to see ONE Nord ANYTHING on any stage in my area. What I DO see are a lot of Korg M50s!
M50 is a nice board, especially if you want a light 73 keys at a reasonable price. It's pianos and organs aren't as good as Nord's, but it's versatile, and quite a bit cheaper than the cheapest Nord, at least here in the U.S. (The price comparison in Europe might be different?)
I'm with narf on this one, a lot of Nords in Australia live bands. But doesn't seem to be that much stocked in stores. I could be wrong, but Roland and Korg seem to fill the floor stock.
NuSkoolTone wrote:I have yet to see ONE Nord ANYTHING on any stage in my area. What I DO see are a lot of Korg M50s!
M50 is a nice board, especially if you want a light 73 keys at a reasonable price. It's pianos and organs aren't as good as Nord's, but it's versatile, and quite a bit cheaper than the cheapest Nord, at least here in the U.S. (The price comparison in Europe might be different?)
I'm not saying the M50 is a "great sounding board" (I should know as I own one) I'm saying it's what I SEE. It's not to take away from Nord, but I don't see them "taking over the world" in my neck of the woods. With boards like the Kronos, that's gong to a lot harder now IMO.
I don't see nords around here because no one carris them. People come into the mom and pops and ask and korg and Yamaha and Roland are the makes brought up. Almost any mid to high end board is special order. So people here tend to stay with what's familiar.
Kevin Nolan wrote:
Have NORD taken over the world in the live keyboard department??? I think they have.
I'm wondering - how can Kronos, so superior to the NORD Stage and Electo, be so far behind? Given that Kronos sells quite well, it must be that NORD are selling keyboards in multiples of the numbers of Korg - up towards DX7 and M1 numbers?
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Still, compared to Kronos, the Electro and Stage are awful; yet, Clavia have won the battle of selling stage keyboards by a country mile - in Paris at least. Again I'll say it - I have never witnessed such a ubiquitous choice of keyboard since the DX7, it was quite shocking to witness; and I feel Korg have lost a major trick in this - whether due to poor styling, the keybed issue or perhaps even over sophistication - I don't know - but they are only selling a fraction of the numbers of Clavia stage keyboards.
Kevin.
Clavia have some cool keyboards, certainly. However - anecdotal observations from a few days in Paris are not a reliable indicator of sales figures. The estimates of sales above are far from correct.
That's very separate from the question of why someone would choose one keyboard or another, and I'm always interested to read what people have to say about that. Carry on...
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I am convinced that the colour plays a significant part in the success of the Nords. It simply looks great on stage.
It may sound ridiculous, but appearance is more important than you might think, even when it comes to products that are supposedly all about how they SOUND, and not about how they LOOK.
For me, the exact same sound produced by two instruments, one looking cheap and the other one looking expensive, will sound better on the expensive.
curvebender wrote:I am convinced that the colour plays a significant part in the success of the Nords. It simply looks great on stage.
It may sound ridiculous, but appearance is more important than you might think, even when it comes to products that are supposedly all about how they SOUND, and not about how they LOOK.
For me, the exact same sound produced by two instruments, one looking cheap and the other one looking expensive, will sound better on the expensive.
I call that the Oasys effect.
You hear what you see!
A few months ago I would have said you were completely wrong and that its all about what the instrument can do, not what it looks like, not what its called etc.
However there's no way on this earth I would ever be seen on stage with a keyboard with a cheesy name like KingKorg.
There's also certain colours that I would not want to own and have in my house.
Well, names, colours, buttons, typography, they all form the total picture together with functions, sounds, price etc.
What I'm trying to say is perhaps the obvious: all those factors shape our perception of any given instrument, although as musicians we would like to think that it's all only about the sound.
And when I say "our perception", what I really mean is "my perception"...
curvebender wrote:I am convinced that the colour plays a significant part in the success of the Nords. It simply looks great on stage.
It may sound ridiculous, but appearance is more important than you might think, even when it comes to products that are supposedly all about how they SOUND, and not about how they LOOK.
For me, the exact same sound produced by two instruments, one looking cheap and the other one looking expensive, will sound better on the expensive.
I call that the Oasys effect.
You hear what you see!
Dany wrote:
X-Trade wrote:The 'papery' feel I think mainly comes from the smell and feel of the black keys. As described in the OP: "After playing the Kronos, I am reminded of the experience of opening a new pack of paper for a laser printer". However I do sometimes feel the sound itself to be fairly 'flat' and 'crisp'. I do not know if this is simply a psychological association with the aforementioned characteristics, or whether there is actually something in the sound quality I really struggle with...
danatkorg wrote:...The OASYS does look more impressive [than Kronos]! Research has shown that people think that brandy presented in a nicer-shaped bottle *tastes* better than the same brandy in a less-attractive bottle. Not just *is* better or *looks* better, but *tastes* better. I'm certain that such biases play a part in evaluation of almost anything, synths included.
cello wrote:I totally resonate with Dany's post re danatkorg's point.
I have tried the Kronos in store several times. Nothing. No spirit. No creative spark. Nothing. Even with the same sounds as the OASYS.
Sit in front of my OASYS, the world becomes a musical adventure full of expression and passion and ideas.
What's the difference? Nothing much other than my attitude towards the Kronos.
