DX7 Patches

[hammondcuni]

Has anyone loaded their Kronos with any DX7 patches? And what is needed to do this? Sysex dump?






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DX7 Patches?

[danatkorg]

Has anyone loaded their Kronos with any DX7 patches? And what is needed to do this? Sysex dump?

Here's the info from the Parameter Guide (and the on-board Help system):

Loading DX sounds

Overview
The MOD‐7 can load sounds created for the vintage DX7. There are thousands of these sounds available on the internet, providing a massive pre‐existing library of timbres (in addition to the many sounds created exclusively for the MOD‐7!). Try searching for “DX7 SysEx download.”
Once loaded, you can bring these vintage sounds up to date using all of the MOD‐7’s unique features, layer them with other EXi, and process them with KARMA and the KRONOS effects.
The conversion works by reading .SYX format System Exclusive files. This format is supported by programs on all major computer operating systems.

Supported file types

In order to load a file, it must meet the following requirements:
• The file must contain a complete bank of 32 DX7 sounds. Files with only a single sound cannot be loaded.
• The file may contain multiple System Exclusive messages, but only if the main DX7 bank dump is the first of these messages. All subsequent messages in the file will be ignored.
Note: some instruments, such as the DX7II, may transmit multiple System Exclusive messages when doing their program data dump, with the main DX7 bank dump coming last. If this set of messages is stored into a single .SYX file, the KRONOS will not be able to load the file.
• The System Exclusive must be in the original, first‐ generation DX7 format, which was supported by all of the classic 6‐operator FM synths as well as the DX9. System Exclusive files from later‐generation FM instruments, such as 4‐operator “baby DX” synths and the TX81Z, SY77, etc., cannot be loaded.

Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds

To load a bank of DX7 sounds:
1. Transfer the DX7 .SYX file to KRONOS‐readable media, such as a USB flash drive.
2. Connect the media to the KRONOS.
3. Press the front‐panel DISK button to enter Disk mode.
4. Go to the Load page.
5. In the Drive Select parameter, select the media from step 2, above.
6. Select the DX7 .SYX file.
7. Press the LOAD button.
A dialog box will appear, allowing you to select a bank into which to load the sounds. Since DX7 banks contain 32 sounds, while a KRONOS bank contains 128, you can also select where to place the DX7 sounds within the KRONOS bank: into Programs 0‐31, 32‐63, 64‐95, or 96‐127.
8. Select the bank and Program range into which to load the sounds.
Important: If you select an HD‐1 bank, it will be changed to an EXi bank, and all of the banks’s HD‐1 Programs will be erased.
9. Press OK to load the sounds.
The sounds will be loaded into the KRONOS as MOD‐ 7 Programs.

Loading multiple banks of DX7 sounds

If you like, you can load multiple .SYX files at once. To do so:
1. Follow steps 1 through 4 under “Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds,” above.
2. Enable the Multiple Select check‐box.
3. Select the desired DX7 .SYX files.
4. Press the LOAD button.
An “Are you sure?” dialog will appear.
5. Press OK.
6. For each .SYX file, select the bank and Program range to load into.
For more information, see steps 8 and 9 under “Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds,” above.

Error messages

If the KRONOS can’t read the file, it will show one of two error messages:
There is no readable data will appear if the file is shorter than 4104 bytes, or if the SysEx header indicates something other than DX7 Program Bank format.
File contains unsupported data will appear if the header is correct, but the data is damaged; for instance, if the fileʹs checksum doesnʹt match, or if the trailing F7 is missing.

Velocity response

Converted sounds will respond to MIDI velocity in the same way as did the original instruments. In other words, if you play both the original and converted sounds from an external MIDI controller, they should sound the same.
However, the local keyboards on some of the original DX instruments were not capable of producing very high velocities; instead, they might max out around 105 or so. The KRONOS’s keyboard, on the other hand, can produce velocities over the full MIDI range, up to 127.
This means that some sounds may be brighter when played from the KRONOS’s keyboard, as compared to the original instrument’s keyboard. If you like, you can use the Brightness Vel. Sens. parameter to reduce the velocity sensitivity to taste.

[hammondcuni]

Thanks Dan.

[bobbybland]

Once converted perhaps we could make new banks n share these. It could be a big project to take on,but this would be amazing to have the dx7 patches on the kronos. nice work,this board just keeps getting better everyday.

[SanderXpander]

The bulk of them actually doesn't need to be converted, the Kronos will read most of them right off the bat. I put a huge collection on my SSD. The main issue is the directory structure - sometimes there are many subfolders and the Kronos can only accommodate a relatively short path length.

[Vlad_77]

Hammondcuni,

The DX7 import function works perfectly. Just follow the instructions Dan has kindly repeated from the manual and you will have a TON of patches to tweak, morph, and mangle.

Namaste,
Vlad

[zzz]

There's thousands of patches over at the korg patches site, ready for testing, at the kronos downloads bit.

[tmatos75]

Has anyone loaded their Kronos with any DX7 patches? And what is needed to do this? Sysex dump?

Here's the info from the Parameter Guide (and the on-board Help system):

Loading DX sounds

Overview
The MOD‐7 can load sounds created for the vintage DX7. There are thousands of these sounds available on the internet, providing a massive pre‐existing library of timbres (in addition to the many sounds created exclusively for the MOD‐7!). Try searching for “DX7 SysEx download.”
Once loaded, you can bring these vintage sounds up to date using all of the MOD‐7’s unique features, layer them with other EXi, and process them with KARMA and the KRONOS effects.
The conversion works by reading .SYX format System Exclusive files. This format is supported by programs on all major computer operating systems.

Supported file types

In order to load a file, it must meet the following requirements:
• The file must contain a complete bank of 32 DX7 sounds. Files with only a single sound cannot be loaded.
• The file may contain multiple System Exclusive messages, but only if the main DX7 bank dump is the first of these messages. All subsequent messages in the file will be ignored.
Note: some instruments, such as the DX7II, may transmit multiple System Exclusive messages when doing their program data dump, with the main DX7 bank dump coming last. If this set of messages is stored into a single .SYX file, the KRONOS will not be able to load the file.
• The System Exclusive must be in the original, first‐ generation DX7 format, which was supported by all of the classic 6‐operator FM synths as well as the DX9. System Exclusive files from later‐generation FM instruments, such as 4‐operator “baby DX” synths and the TX81Z, SY77, etc., cannot be loaded.

Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds

To load a bank of DX7 sounds:
1. Transfer the DX7 .SYX file to KRONOS‐readable media, such as a USB flash drive.
2. Connect the media to the KRONOS.
3. Press the front‐panel DISK button to enter Disk mode.
4. Go to the Load page.
5. In the Drive Select parameter, select the media from step 2, above.
6. Select the DX7 .SYX file.
7. Press the LOAD button.
A dialog box will appear, allowing you to select a bank into which to load the sounds. Since DX7 banks contain 32 sounds, while a KRONOS bank contains 128, you can also select where to place the DX7 sounds within the KRONOS bank: into Programs 0‐31, 32‐63, 64‐95, or 96‐127.
8. Select the bank and Program range into which to load the sounds.
Important: If you select an HD‐1 bank, it will be changed to an EXi bank, and all of the banks’s HD‐1 Programs will be erased.
9. Press OK to load the sounds.
The sounds will be loaded into the KRONOS as MOD‐ 7 Programs.

Loading multiple banks of DX7 sounds

If you like, you can load multiple .SYX files at once. To do so:
1. Follow steps 1 through 4 under “Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds,” above.
2. Enable the Multiple Select check‐box.
3. Select the desired DX7 .SYX files.
4. Press the LOAD button.
An “Are you sure?” dialog will appear.
5. Press OK.
6. For each .SYX file, select the bank and Program range to load into.
For more information, see steps 8 and 9 under “Loading a single bank of DX7 sounds,” above.

Error messages

If the KRONOS can’t read the file, it will show one of two error messages:
There is no readable data will appear if the file is shorter than 4104 bytes, or if the SysEx header indicates something other than DX7 Program Bank format.
File contains unsupported data will appear if the header is correct, but the data is damaged; for instance, if the fileʹs checksum doesnʹt match, or if the trailing F7 is missing.

Velocity response

Converted sounds will respond to MIDI velocity in the same way as did the original instruments. In other words, if you play both the original and converted sounds from an external MIDI controller, they should sound the same.
However, the local keyboards on some of the original DX instruments were not capable of producing very high velocities; instead, they might max out around 105 or so. The KRONOS’s keyboard, on the other hand, can produce velocities over the full MIDI range, up to 127.
This means that some sounds may be brighter when played from the KRONOS’s keyboard, as compared to the original instrument’s keyboard. If you like, you can use the Brightness Vel. Sens. parameter to reduce the velocity sensitivity to taste.

I have a DX7. I imported the sounds on to the Kronos and did an A B sound test.
I can confirm that the Kronos sounds are identical to the original DX7. With your eyes closed, you can not tell the different between the two.
Thanks to the Kronos, I can finally sell my DX7 without any regrets.

[analogaddict]

I'd love to load my DX7II sounds. Is there any way to convert them to a format the Kronos can read, or is it possible that there will be a Kronos OS update that makes this possible?

[michelkeijzers]

I'd love to load my DX7II sounds. Is there any way to convert them to a format the Kronos can read, or is it possible that there will be a Kronos OS update that makes this possible?

I guess it's the same as explained above (?)

[Vlad_77]

Analogaddict,

It's my understanding that Kronos cannot load DX7II sounds. I don't know how different the structure of DX7 patches is versus DX7II. I would suppose that if there is enough demand perhaps it could be possible? But on the other hand, the DX7 sold TONS of units and I am making an uneducated guess that there are many more people who purchased the original. In addition, I would assume that if DX7II was not all that different structurally from DX7, Korg would have already had this functionality in MOD-7 which I believe was an EXi for the OASYS originally. Kevin Nolan would know that better than I.

Sorry for the less than informative post.

Namaste,
Vlad

[analogaddict]

Thanks, AFAIK it can't right now - but for instance NI FM8 can load both, so it can't be all that complicated. I think the DX7II presets are very nice, you can tell that the DX programmers knew more about the synth. Perhaps I can export them from FM8...

[JuneauUnderground]

I have a DX7. I imported the sounds on to the Kronos and did an A B sound test.
I can confirm that the Kronos sounds are identical to the original DX7. With your eyes closed, you can not tell the different between the two.
Thanks to the Kronos, I can finally sell my DX7 without any regrets.

. . . I beg to differ. The original DX7 is a 12 bit machine, thus the output is grungier with a lot of edge. Call it noise if you like. The MOD 7 obviously is not 12 bit, thus the difference, and the difference is very noticible. With your eyes closed or open you can most definitely hear the difference. I did the taste test with my DX7, so I know of what I speak. Now, the DX7 is a huge pain to program. Not so the MOD7.

Don't get me wrong here, the MOD7 is fabulous. Having the ability to load the gazillion or so free DX7 patches that are out there, mix, match, mangle, and tangle inside the Kronos is without equal, including FM8. You could spend the next ten years tweaking these patches and still not get through them all. It was pure genius for Korg to include this functionality.

[hammondcuni]

Believe it or not but all I need are two patches Electric Piano 1 and Harmonica, both stock that came in the internal memory of the Original DX7.