Musikmesse 2012

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:48 pm

peter m. mahr wrote:@ Cello - Had the chance to play the Jupiter-80 V2 and spent some time to test the additional filters. And they are definitely an improvement! Casio is coming back with an amazing instrument, considering the sales price of € 550.-, zynaptiq was impressive and there is something else we hope to review soon.

v2 is a massive update to the JP-80 - lucky you for have a play on it

There's some confusion about when v2 is available for download - it's either the beginning or end of April.

Am obviously hoping for the beginning and can't wait to start using/hearing it!

Will look forward to reading your review(s) - they are always very thorough and informative; I enjoy reading them very much

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:31 pm

Hej,

thanks a lot for the kind words.

Hope to receive version 2 soon. As soon as I get it I will let you know.

Peter

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:22 am

Well obviously there was nothing really exciting and new for keyboardists at the Musik Messe...

Maybe the Nord, but thats about it.

Jan1 · Post by **Jan1** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:43 am

Here's a demo of the Physis piano.
Although its always hard to determine the sound quality of an instrument in a YouTube clip, the impression that I get is that the Physis sounds good.
Apparently the wooden keys version weighs 27 kgs, the plastic keys version weighs 21 kgs.

Anyway, it's good to see more manufacturers move away from sample-based instruments to modeled instruments (although the Physis apparently also has some sampled meat'n'potato sounds to support/accompany the modeled sounds).
I think the absence of buttons and knobs in favour of a touch panel is a pity, as I like the feel of buttons/knobs/sliders.

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:46 pm

It sounded very good and has a lot of "sharc power" under the hood.

Post by **Sharp** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:52 pm

Sounded bloody awesome to my ears.

Regards
Sharp.

Jan1 · Post by **Jan1** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:40 pm

Anything known about the price?
I can't find any info anywhere.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:13 pm

Quite impressive, though I think the Kronos piano is already very convincing, maybe less parameters to tweak though. But since I'm not a real pianist, I rather have a all-in-in instrument, but for players heavily into piano this might be an interesting product.

I also liked the UI with the soft touch knobs, on the other hand, probably live real buttons and sliders might be better.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:55 am

These presenters need to get their facts straight. Physical modeling in not new and their product is not the only one on the market to have multiple physical models. It just makes the presenter and the company represented look stupid when they make such obvious errors.

In fact, I think the electric piano physical model on my Z1 sounds better and has more parameters than what they showed for their model.

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:37 am

xmlguy wrote:These presenters need to get their facts straight. Physical modeling in not new and their product is not the only one on the market to have multiple physical models. It just makes the presenter and the company represented look stupid when they make such obvious errors.

In fact, I think the electric piano physical model on my Z1 sounds better and has more parameters than what they showed for their model.

Pianoteq already offers all the modelling engines of this piano and more.

Still sounds good to my ears either way. I'm happy to see others explore modelling. When it's done right it does put samples to shame.

Regards
Sharp.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:03 am

Sharp wrote:
xmlguy wrote:These presenters need to get their facts straight. Physical modeling in not new and their product is not the only one on the market to have multiple physical models. It just makes the presenter and the company represented look stupid when they make such obvious errors.

In fact, I think the electric piano physical model on my Z1 sounds better and has more parameters than what they showed for their model.
Pianoteq already offers all the modelling engines of this piano and more.

Still sounds good to my ears either way. I'm happy to see others explore modelling. When it's done right it does put samples to shame.

I completely agree. I think that Korg made a mistake abandoning MOSS for the R3/Radias/M3. It's good that Kronos/Oasys have physical models, but I'd like to see some products with it in the $500-$2,000 range. I would've thought that the success of all the MOSS related products proved they had a good thing, until they dropped it. The premium prices for EXB-MOSS on the used market shows continued demand even today.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:56 am

xmlguy wrote:
Sharp wrote:
xmlguy wrote:These presenters need to get their facts straight. Physical modeling in not new and their product is not the only one on the market to have multiple physical models. It just makes the presenter and the company represented look stupid when they make such obvious errors.

In fact, I think the electric piano physical model on my Z1 sounds better and has more parameters than what they showed for their model.
Pianoteq already offers all the modelling engines of this piano and more.

Still sounds good to my ears either way. I'm happy to see others explore modelling. When it's done right it does put samples to shame.
I completely agree. I think that Korg made a mistake abandoning MOSS for the R3/Radias/M3. It's good that Kronos/Oasys have physical models, but I'd like to see some products with it in the $500-$2,000 range. I would've thought that the success of all the MOSS related products proved they had a good thing, until they dropped it. The premium prices for EXB-MOSS on the used market shows continued demand even today.

I think MOSS was substabtially different from anything in the KRONOS, an advanced MOSS engine would have fitted the KRONOS really well

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:13 pm

I think there must be a reason why MOSS couldn't be used as EXi on the Oasys/Kronos, maybe it needed (specialized) DSP hardware.

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:38 pm

Yep, MOSS is VERY cool.
I'd love to get my hands on a Z1 actually. They are extremely rare to find here in Ireland. People who have them simply won't part with them. If one does pop up there's usually a lot of interest which drives up the bidding.

Regards
Sharp.